The AGN is likely much closer and not nearly as bright as these folks would have one think.

Well Free, would you rather have 99% of 1 million dollars or 1% of a billion dollars? This quasar is an enormous mass of materials in every phase.

cd8, why do you opinionate that the estimated distance and timescale have to be wrong? Because if you have some verifiable evidence for your opinion, you will pretty well have overthrown more than a century of astronomical empirical evidence.

mack, yes, that is an important point to consider. A sobering realization that researchers have to take care that they do not confuse their perception of success before confirming the data collected.

It comes down to whether the method of reasoning used is 'deductive' 'inductive' or abductive'.

@rrwillsj - I too await the Benni sock puppet accounts to refute Gaia's telemetry data. From the paper, Section 2.1 Selection and photometry:

"However, the main contaminants of the search box for high-z QSOs are nearby Galactic stars of low mass and temperature, which can now be identified very reliably from the proper motions in the Gaia database. Hence, immediately after the release of Gaia DR2 on 25 April 2018, we searched for red objects using Bp − Rp in the Gaia database that are consistent with having no significant proper motion [...]

J2157-3602 appears in Gaia DR2 as a single isolated source; the nearest neighbour detected by Gaia is ∼42 arcsec away, while the resolution achieved by Gaia reaches up to ∼ 0.1 arcsec. [1] Gaia is complete to magnitude Rp ≈ 19, while our object is ∼ 2 mag brighter; this suggests that the brightness of the object is not boosted by strong gravitational lensing."

cd8, why do you opinionate that the estimated distance and timescale have to be wrong? Because if you have some verifiable evidence for your opinion, you will pretty well have overthrown more than a century of astronomical empirical evidence.

Halton Arp pointed out that redshift vs distance was falsified almost 50 years ago. And he was kicked out of Mt. Wilson for doing so. And he was ignored for the remaining 40-years of his life, but I'm sure you'll listen to me instead of the most brilliant astronomer of our time.
https://www.halto...articles

"A bright, supermassive black hole." Bright?

The paper is open source at the arXiv link given in the article above; it has been accepted for publication in the Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia but not yet published.

Since @cantthink69 claims to believe there is some technical inaccuracy in the paper, perhaps it would care to point this supposed inaccuracy out since it's open source.

The thing about the Gaia catalog is that it automatically includes parallax data. This means redshift is no longer the only distance gauge. Now add to that the Type 1a supernova data and three distance gauges can be found. The argument that supernova characteristics have changed over the lifetime of the universe cannot be used to argue steady state for obvious reasons so anyone, for example the Thunderdolts, who tries to argue this way destroys their own argument. The astrophysics community has rejected unfounded theories so the interpretation of these objects has become the accretion disks of supermassive black holes; nothing else has the power to make such bright objects at such high red shifts.

Multiple lines of argument reject redshift quantization, from statistics to spectroscopy to logic. Redshift quantization is a failed theory.

Talking Nonsense again!
What is not good for science or for conscious human beings?
 Firstly, it is claimed (there is no possibility for proof), that everything came from nothing (the appearance of a large powder). The lowest estimate of this stubbornness is, it's idiocy, and not science.
 Second, to speak about some phenomena, and at all do not understand the sequence of the formation process of matter and matter, and everything from matter, such as all particles from subatomic to cluster galaxies. There science fell into the "black hole of anti-science." With these researchers, their heads are filled with dark, matter and dark energy, which they themselves "formed. These are their brain virtual particles, without which they could not broadcast such powerful waves of ignorance and disrespect for the one who formed them.

"A bright, supermassive black hole." Bright?

The accretion disk is bright.

The idea what object makes up the black hole isn't really well defined. The event horizon is just some defined distance, but isn't anything physical. The black hole mass at the center is a singularity - or not, and the accretion disk or the polar jets - are they part of the black hole or just the 'black hole system'?
It's a bit like saying "planet" or "neutron star" (Are the jets part of the neutron star or not? What about planets that barely fit or don't fit the description?).

One should not get hung up over the words.

So many potential Nobel prize winners among the commenters, if only they would publish their research...

I know @Mack it's a huge conspiracy against you

I know @Mack it's a huge conspiracy against you

Didn't you know? We are all employed by the world-wide-scientist-conspiracy-cabal to keep mackita/Zeph from publishing his enormous findings and revolutionizing the world.
Haven't you been getting your regular cheques?

Please PM next when/where for sll our plotting and cackling. Also, was it funny hats this year..?

The AGN is likely much closer and not nearly as bright as these folks would have one think.


Wrong. Gaia measures parallax. If this object was nearby it would have recorded a shift against the background. Read the article at least, even if the paper is beyond you.
Hold a thumb up at arms length. Look at it with your left eye, with your right eye closed. Then close your left eye and open the right eye. What is happening to the finger as viewed against the background? Get it? Thought not. This is the sort of data that shows that Arp was wrong, as has been known for some time.

The AGN is likely much closer and not nearly as bright as these folks would have one think.

Indeed, as light climbing out of a gravity well being red shifted would explain.

Everyone is grappling to understand the concept of time, looks like