"Proactive, continuous detailed monitoring from space

Gawd, how I hate the word "proactive". Someone explain the difference between:

- "Proactive, continuous detailed monitoring from space.."
- "Active, continuous detailed monitoring from space..."
and
- "Continuous detailed monitoring from space..."

That pet-peeve aside: Drilling and fracking...the gift that keeps on giving.

The ground sags? So fricking what? Better that than the oil prices the Ruling Establishment and Elite would have us pay.

Have you hugged a fracker today? You should.

The UK has similar issues in former coal-mining areas. Subsidence, heave, collapse...

Sinkholes and ground movement happen all the time for one reason or another. In Florida, a sinkhole happened below a guy's bedroom and sucked him and his bed down, never to be found again. Weird stuff. Sounds like a movie to me.

Have you hugged a fracker today? You should.

Yeah. Hug'em. Pin 'em down, so that they can't move and cause any more damage.
Some people are just too stupid to let loose

JamesG: Sinkholes and ground movement happen all the time

So do car wrecks, planes crashes and typhoid breakouts. You think we should just ignore it?

Shootist: So fricking what? Better that than the oil prices the Ruling Establishment and Elite would have us pay.

Who do you think we're paying now? The oil fairies? Take your meds, dude.

JamesG: Sinkholes and ground movement happen all the time for one reason or another. In Florida,...

Sinkholes in FL are natural, due to an underlying layer of limestone that gets dissolved by groundwater. The sinkholes in this article are due to mineral extraction activities.

Shootist: The ground sags? So fricking what?

Matters if you are a surface property owner getting your land trashed.

Better that than the oil prices the Ruling Establishment and Elite would have us pay.

Your mean prices that include what are now externalized costs for mineral extraction interests? Things like subsidence, earthquakes, air pollution health costs, climate change and environmental cleanups/disasters; costs that get foisted on others as these industries make their money and run??

Have you hugged a fracker today? You should.

No and No.

Why have the scientists not used satellite radar interferometry? This should be much more sensitive than the visual method they are currently using. There are several government agencies which have these capabilities.

So how does this compare with areas around the new madrid fault, san andreas, Bakken field, Scandinavian peninsula, etc. Sounds like a big, So What. Typically water at and above the same level as gas and oil is saline. So what!

Have you ever driven through the Permian? Don't worry be happy, no one will notice if it disappears. We referred to it as miles of miles and miles.

@RichManJoe, from above:

The researchers analyzed satellite radar images that were made public by the European Space Agency, and supplemented that with oil activity data from the Texas Railroad Commission…

The images from the European Space Agency are the result of satellite radar interferometry from recently launched open-source orbiting satellites that make radar images freely available to the public.

With interferometric synthetic aperture radar, or InSAR for short, the satellites allow scientists to detect changes that aren't visible to the naked eye and that might otherwise go undetected.

The satellite technology can capture ground deformation with an accuracy of sub-inches or better, at a spatial resolution of a few yards or better over thousands of miles, say the researchers.

Proactive, continuous detailed monitoring from space.."

-Monitoring in anticipation of a problem.

"Active, continuous detailed monitoring from space..."

- Active, continuous monitoring of an actual problem.

Continuous detailed monitoring from space..."

-Continuous detailed monitoring of an actual problem. 'Active' could indicate a certain level of scrutiny.

Perhaps your translator is on the fritz -?

The Gobi deserts are renowned for Quick Sand! The Oil Sheiks are undermining large areas of their desert. Why isn't Saudi Arabia one gigantic sink hole?

Maybe because the Gobi Desert is in China?

Anonym: The whole state's going to hell..

Hell outsources to Texas

Turgent: So how does this compare with areas around the new madrid fault, san andreas, Bakken field, Scandinavian peninsula, etc.

Those are all natural fault zones (except for the Bakken Formation which appears to be an active oil/gas production area.) Quakes have been found to be caused by extraction operations, especially the injection of fracking waste water into wells. One can't do much about naturally occurring quakes, but human caused trigger factors are certainly valid subjects for policy and regulation.

Sounds like a big, So What.

Matters if valuable infrastructure is above a sinkhole, as noted in the article.

Have you ever driven through the Permian?

In what, a time machine?

Don't worry be happy, no one will notice if it disappears. We referred to it as miles of miles and miles.

Ohhh, the Permian Basin in TX! There still are likely things which can be damaged/polluted.

@Turgid "Typically water at and above the same level as gas and oil is saline. So what!"

So Ogallala aquifer!

"If spread across the U.S. the aquifer would cover all 50 states with 1.5 feet of water
If drained, it would take more than 6,000 years to refill naturally
More than 90 percent of the water pumped is used to irrigate crops
$20 billion a year in food and fiber depend on the aquifer."
https://www.scien...aquifer/

"The water-saturated thickness of the Ogallala Formation ranges from a few feet to more than 1,000 feet (300 m) and is generally greater in the Northern Plains.[11] The depth of the water below the surface of the land ranges from almost 400 feet (120 m) in parts of the north to between 100 and 200 feet (30 and 61 m) throughout much of the south."
https://en.wikipe..._Aquifer

Fracking wells are being drilled through it every day.

My point is only that other locations move up and down at comparable rates. Kern county, CA, areas where massive and non-replenishing groundwater is pumped out of like the Nebraska's Ogallalla aquifer, etc.

Such limited movement over these time frames doesn't appear to create problems. If you if have to give 70 acres of range in the Permian per head of cattle then the area isn't to exciting. It isn't even good for fossil hunting. Oh the Texas Railroads Commission, oil and gas regulator, is as good as it gets. About 1,000,000 wells have been drilled in Texas and there ain't no pollution from 100 years of drilling. Huge numbers of vertical wells have been fracked long ago there. Texas is a good steward of its land.

Dude, go to google earth. See the huge crop circles. They are hugely concentrated. The Og drops ft per year. There are places in the world where salt has invaded the fresh due to over pumping.

The fracking wells in the Marcellus go through thick salt layers. No problem yet. In Watkins Glen NY salt has been mined by forced hot water under lake Seneca for over 70 years, no problem.

Different places different circumstances different geology.

This isn't to poo poo all that their saying. There should have been evidence of problems long ago.

Just an after thought. I have seen an aquifer which did get some pollution. They pumped as much water as they could for a year. This case the problem was solved'

Dude, go to google earth. See the huge crop circles. They are hugely concentrated. The Og drops ft per year. There are places in the world where salt has invaded the fresh due to over pumping.

The fracking wells in the Marcellus go through thick salt layers. No problem yet. In Watkins Glen NY salt has been mined by forced hot water under lake Seneca for over 70 years, no problem.

Different places different circumstances different geology.

This isn't to poo poo all that their saying. There should have been evidence of problems long ago.

I don't need to go to Google Earth. I live there. My family still farms.

Or it could be the the shieks oil comes from wells in the gobi desert that are the cause of the quick sands

Erm..whut? I know you're from the US (no one else in the world could be that ignorant of geography)...but...seriously, dude?

Sheiks are in the middle east. The Gobi desert is in China. Yeah, they're on the same continent, but that's about as far as it goes. There's more than 5000km between them.

(Note also that quicksand requires water - something noticeably absent in most deserts)

Dude,

Some time ago we used to go to Enders Lake near Imperial, NE.

https://www.googl...!3m1!1e3 talks about land subsidence due to water depletion and concerns about salt water intrusion.

It would appear the huge threat to aquifers is extraction far more than anything else.

cont

"Fluid injection includes waste saltwater injection into nearby wells, and carbon dioxide flooding of depleting reservoirs to stimulate oil recovery." The waste salt water is what is brought to the surface by fracking and the CO2 basically makes it a fizzy.