Ocean acidification from CO2 rise we get this;

By showing how the loss of seawater carbonate hampers the ability of phytoplankton to grab onto iron, the authors show a direct connection between the effects of ocean acidification and the health of phytoplankton at the base of the marine food chain.

If the thick headed deniers would just get it through their thick skulls. Burning fossil fuels will lead the planet to food shortages, a dead ocean, and a massive extinction event like none ever experienced my modern man.

Well, so true. Physics does span many many fields, from fusion, tech and renewables, to climate, atmospherics and space. I love a good blackhole theory as much as anyone. What I don't get are the thickheaded denier goons that want everyone to ignore problems that are potential planet killers. Are you one of those?

Well, @mack here is an odd fact. The whole planet only contains finite amount of carbon. There is nano amounts being added from space but rarely anything on the scale that earth already contains.
So what we have is very close to a static amount of carbon on the planet. What we have experienced and measured in the last 100 years would be like someone had turned up a huge 40 billion TONS of carbon from the geotherms and put it in the air as CO2. OH WAIT? Isn't that what the combustion of fossil fuel has done in the past 100years or so? Dump about 40 billion tons of carbon in the air via combustion of C+(O2) -> CO2 + energy. Yes it sure has.

And since we are at it, where do you think most of that CO2 goes once released from combustion of Coal, Oil and Natural Gas (+your wimpy liitle volcanoes)? Since 2/3rds out planet is covered in oceans, you can bet that 2/3rds the CO2 pollution for fossil fuels are dump there. Once in water the CO2 goes to H2CO3 which is CARBONIC ACID! Living things don't like living in acid, so they dissolve and die. Whole oceans that feed out planet can be killed. Do you get it now?

Sorry, 40 gigatons of CO2/year from fossil fuels was off the top of my head and was the typical base level CO2 level. From fossil fuel combustion It's actually more closer to 600!

So @mac, you agree then that CO2 is not from "geothermal origin" but has to be from another source. What if, methane isn't enough? What if I show you that methane clathrates are not the cause of our planet's current CO2 levels? Would you then concede that mankind's combustion of fossil fuels is the cause of the planet's newly inflated CO2 levels? CO2 that is acidifying the ocean and er-go slowly killing certain plankton life (er-go food chain).

@howhot3 - mack is a troll dude. He is actually an intelligent and reasonably articulate guy who for some odd reason likes to come on these forums and emulate a babbling idiot.

Well there is more in the ocean than just tuna and sailfish @mac. You forgot shrimp, sea bass, cod, lobster and all of the rest my friend. I hope you can find them in a supermarket in 20 years.

Methane clathrates from only in cold and high pressure regions like the very bottom of the ocean, were the are sequestered until warmed or disturbed. It's estimated that there are 1 to 5 x10^15 m^3 of the stuff on the ocean bottom. That is methane that has been absorbed by the ocean (like the CO2 in the article), frozen out and settling on the ocean floor. A processes that has been going on for the life of the planet. What makes methane clathrates so special when it is so freaking obvious CO2 is the cause?

Hi Parsec; I know @mac

likes to come on these forums and emulate a babbling idiot.

. Yeap. It's sad a dumb fuck like him has to waste his time on crap like this. It's the life of a troll.

@mac says;

What if it is? I'm not against fossil fuel replacement, but current strategy of "renewables" doesn't improve it -

. OK cool. Sorry for what I called you earlier. Actually there is only one strategy that can be achieved right in the here-and-now and that is renewables! The one thing that comes to Earth every second is sunlight. The whole of all life, the reason, you, your kids, your pet, you house, your life exists is because of sunlight. All Fossil Fuel is, is just carbon and sunshine sequestered! Stuff burns in Oxygen, and when you burn that sequestered carbon,,, the fossil fuels, all of that carbon-sunshine-hydrogen-thing turns directly into CO2 which in GLOBALLY MASSIVE 600 BILLION TON AMOUNTS WILL cause extinction!

The sun dumps trillions of watts of energy per day on the planet that if harvested and stored would provide more than enough energy to power mankind on earth forever. That is the direction we have to go.

Oh sure, we have a mechanism and modelled outcomes based on that mechanism and real-world observations that fit with the modelled outcomes from that mechanism. But let's not accept the mechanism. No, let's just throw out random 'what ifs' instead. What if it's the unicorns? What if we're all just in the Matrix? What if our head have been invaded by a super-intelligent alien virus that just makes us "believe" the Earth is warming?

Ockhams Razor exists for a reason, you know.

@howhot3 - mack is a troll dude. He is actually an intelligent and reasonably articulate guy who for some odd reason likes to come on these forums and emulate a babbling idiot.

Wwwrong... antigoracle's sockpuppet mackita and his 40 odd other socks(ie still only sorry old he himself) is a complete nut job. In his own mind he thinks he is hitting a banana jacpot while in the real world highlight the idocy of the denier campaigns. A win win for everyone, we just need to sit back and watch how hilariously it unfolds every day :D

What makes methane clathrates so special when it is so freaking obvious CO2 is the cause?

If the global warming would be of geothermal origin, then the clathrates and methane in soil will get release first and oxidized in atmosphere into a carbon dioxide, which would get uptake by oceans back. Such a model also explains the https://i.imgur.com/oVq2M19.gif - whereas greenhouse mechanism would require the opposite.

None of this is true

There's a positive feedback loop here. More CO2 => less phytoplankton => more CO2. Phytoplankton are the primary source of oxygen in the atmosphere and the oceans. I see a problem with this, one that will not heal itself quickly. And it's not just a matter of the food we get from the oceans.

Wwwrong... antigoracle's sockpuppet mackita and his 40 odd other socks(ie still only sorry old he himself) is a complete nut job. In his own mind he thinks he is hitting a banana jacpot while in the real world highlight the idocy of the denier campaigns. A win win for everyone, we just need to sit back and watch how hilariously it unfolds every day :D - HeloMenelo

Antigoracle doesn't have any sockpuppets, and mackita is the sock of Zephir.

O he does, about 40 of them ;)

I never saw some alarmist to promote cold fusion and similar technologies - only the "renewables"

mackita

Are you from the flat-Earth society?
Are you seriously implying you would promote the fictitious pseudoscientific "cold fusion" crap instead of "renewables" which we know can exist?
Seriously; was that a joke?
I really hope so else you are even more stupid than I thought.

If not being "alarmist" means promote the fictitious pseudoscientific "cold fusion" crap and all similar crap instead of real "renewables" then I guess the only sane and reasonable people not way-high on crack are all those that you call "alarmist".

I am not against nuclear power in principle; providing it isn't a factious kind.

; providing it isn't a factious kind.

Misedit;
"factious" should have been "factitious"