TheGhostofOtto1923 - Oct 23, 2017

This could be a bigger deal than you might think. Civilizations could have emerged earlier than we thought, and there may well be lost civilizations at the bottom of the Persian gulf or along now-submerged coastlines in the western hemisphere.

thomasct - Oct 24, 2017

Another timeline to this perhaps? Et contacts of Swiss B Meier, explained in The Pleiadian Mission by R Winters tell us that that humankind in this Dern Universe is app 100billion years old, bringing humans to Earth from it's far Corners. These et share common ancestry with many here, 1st arriving 22M years ago. Meier's evidence is 000 film photos, 100 were analyzed by JPL, 8mm cine film, sound recordings, metal fragments. 5 US investigators spent decades trying to debunk Meier,but failed. They were led by Col Wendel Stevens, Rtd, USAF Intel. here.. https://www.youtu...B3IP1Bbg Note. Hollow, spherical, un-corroded metal spheres with symmetrical banding have been found in S African Rock strata of 2.3B years. Note. Our 5+billion year Moon is a hollow structure, mainly titanium covered, in an orbit that needs a continuous force to maintain, & should be no bigger than 25M diam, yet it's 2160M dia. https://www.youtu...FbzGCeg.

thomasct - Oct 24, 2017

typo.. Meer's1000 photos.

RogueParticle - Oct 24, 2017

@tct

typo.. Meer's1000 photos.
Ah well, that makes everything much clearer!

Nik_2213 - Oct 24, 2017

"Our 5+billion year Moon is a hollow structure, mainly titanium covered,"

Um, the lunar seismography would beg to differ...
And the retreat rate, from laser ranging, matches tidal dissipation, confirming the apparent mass.
{Sigh...}

Jayarava - Oct 24, 2017

"We tend to overestimate the effect of a technology in the short run and underestimate the effect in the long run." Amara's Law.

rrwillsj - Oct 24, 2017

Okay, I promise to avoid ridiculing the brain dead ufomoronologists.

However, I need to correct the all too common misinterpretation of the concept of "civilization".

The most accurate translation of "civilization" is, " I am civilized because I own you as chattel. You get to grow the food and I get to eat it. They over there? Are barbarians because I have not yet enslaved them."

This all to common delusion that we can claim descent from royals and priests and other ancient forms of criminal behavior is frankly stupid!

For ten, (tens?) of thousands of years your ancestors and mine were slaves, serfs and menial servants. At best.

Unfortunately most of the accomplishments of our ancestors were very fragile and flammable. So, when was the last time you saw a tally-stick?

The monuments and artifacts that survive are the trophies of bloody-handed, egotistical ogres claiming to be demi-gods. Wanting to be one of those wielding the whip reveals ones dehumanization.

Nick Gotts - Oct 25, 2017

A question for Phys.org: why does your site attract so many complete whackdoodles (e.g., thomasct above)?

johnPerry - Oct 26, 2017

I would like to read their paper and check out the data when I get the chance. Though it seems to me that it's not such a new idea; David Rindos wrote of agriculture as a long term co-adaptive process in 1984. I always thought that this was a sensible approach, and that more research will flesh out the details.

IanC1811 - Oct 30, 2017

Note re definition of "civilization": from the point of view of an historian or archeologist, "civilized" means "living in cities". These cities might look more like towns or villages to us, but collectively they are cities. "Civilized" is not a moral or ethical term describing a standard or style of behaviour.

Captain Stumpy - Oct 30, 2017

A question for Phys.org: why does your site attract so many complete whackdoodles (e.g., thomasct above)?
@Nick Gotts
i am not a PO employee, but i can answer this: because they no longer moderate and the trolls have taken over the comments driving out any legitimate or scientific discourse

it's all about the money - they would loose $$ if they actually moderated per their guidelines

apparently it pays better to allow the trolls and pseudoscience cranks to flourish as PO can then pad their original poster count which then pushes them into a category of "high interest" allowing them to charge advertising more

of course, even a cursory look at said comments shows that there isn't interest so much as proselytizing pseudoscience idiots

Steelwolf - Nov 08, 2017

Most of the lands that were dry are at some 200 to 400 feet lower sea level than we have now due to the immense amount of water locked up in the ice caps. There could be entire high tech civilizations as our own who, foolishly built mainly by the oceans, which is a very easy and economic way to travel yet when the water rises, land disappears, and so to countries and cultures along with them.

They are finding that the Indus Valley Civilization was actually a fleeing remnant that had moved from much lower lands, in a hurry, and had lost most of the tech and treasures that they had. The Indian Vedic Texts actually explain modern physics in such scary and definite terms that even Oppenheimer repeated the words of the texts "I am become Death The Destroyer of Worlds" because he had gotten some of his clues from vedic translations.

High Civilization is a cyclic thing, we ignorantly erase ourselves back to the ice and stone ages, repeatedly.

Pretty Bright Homo Sap, eh?

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