blahschott.Your above observation/criticism is exactly applicable, word for word, to Big Bang, Inflation etc etc. So using that 'argument' to 'debunk' Tuxford is, as it were, a 'double-edged sword'. Take extra care when 'wielding' same, hey?maybe before you insult somebody, you should make sure they are not correct.TuxWindBag subscribes to the debunked notions of LaViolette, and believes against all evidence to the contrary that matter is created in vast amounts from nothing and can provide no theoretical basis for such a belief. His "science" cannot therefore be checked for correctness, and carries no more weight than any other set of religious beliefs.
...about as substantial as a Belgian waffle.Speaking of "Belgian", BB 'creationism' was a Belgian Priest's religious fantasy.
(a) Tux/La Violette's baseless conjectures plucked out of thin air, with no evidence or carefully-constructed theories to back them up...Ok. HOWEVER, it's the SAME for BB/INFLATION; now being 'disowned' by Penrose/Steinhardt, saying they were NOTIONS that NEVER had any tenable scientific basis for them. See the similarities in critique?
(b) The vast amount of evidence collected over decades which has led many to construct theories, like BB and inflation, in an attempt not only to explain the observations, but also to provide quantitative predictions which can be tested, in other words, these theories are falsifiable.First please see response to ( a). Then catch up with mainstream discoveries/reviews of late increasingly showing old BB etc myths NEVER 'scientific'.
Those under (b) ARE falsifiable,But BB/Inflation etc ALSO 'unfalsifiable'! The only 'support' WAS notional/unsupportable assumption/interpretations etc. Circuitous.
@RC: Theory with quantitative predictions => experimentation / observation => falsifiability. Science.
Of course many scientists are not totally happy with BB/Inflation, and some of those come up with alternativesYou miss the point. New/recent mainstream discovery/review is NOW falsifying and/or questioning (much MORE objectively than before) the very things that (as Penrose/Steinhardt have finally admitted) have been BUILT INTO the scientific literature by 'peer review' which has been 'passing' UN-scientific myths for decades which had become 'treated as fact' by subsequent 'hack' publish-or-perish' so-called 'researchers and science writers'.
...done by the few who dedicate themselves to such investigations.That 'few' is precisely the problem! They 'manufactured' a BIASED 'peer review' HERD MENTALITY for themselves; 'deaf/blind' for DECADES.
...in much the same way that a heap of horseshit resembles Mount Everest.
@FSC, you are by no means the only one who is frustrated by the fantasy physics crowd
I have picked two of the most egregious transgressors out and I am working on them.Oh come on, there are more than two who do not believe in your Perpetual Motion Machines base on some dumb concept of Schwarzschild BH Math that gravity is DENSITY dependent & not MASS dependent
I hope you will join me in this endeavor and submit for your consideration that it appears, however unpleasant it may be, to be the only effective countermeasure.By this you mean you plan to ramp up the name calling binges over & above your past name calling binges?
If we do not hang together we will apparently hang separatelyIt's for sure that the gallows are efficient non-Perpetual Motion Machines.
I'm almost reluctant to post anything next to this steaming pile of ignorance
@a_p - there's also the "I'm NOT a dummy!" and "you'll be sorry!" syndromes
(for want of better names - are there terms in psychology for these?
which lead people of limited ability to adopt ideas or theories which they find not so tough that they can't understand them
where no ability to question or reason is required or necessary
refers to my intuition that these people were bullied or ridiculed for being dummies
are really all about the beat-up kid trying ...
@BS, @Benni, reading your comments, I'm horrified by the confused, flawed, ignorant and carelessly-formulated "thinking" behind your statements, which set off alarm bells ringing practically everywhere. You're both of you very obviously unaware of your incompetence and hopeless ineptitude in this field.
Just what you're doing. Stick around; it's not always easy to deal with the trolls, but there is good conversation to be had here, I hope, and you're certainly a contributor to that. There are some good contributors, like IMP-9, RNP, antialias, and others; there are also some non-technical people who are aware of the problem and are less and less easily misled by the trolls as time goes on and their trolling is revealed for what it is. I think we should support them, and aid where we see the opportunity, and continue pointing out trolling and various sorts of intentional misdirection. It's obvious that the moderators are incapable/unwilling, and the results if we do nothing or ignore the trolls are that they are unopposed.I hope you will join me in this endeavorWhat do you have in mind?
my use of the term "syndromes" refers to my intuition that these people were bullied or ridiculed for being dummies@FSC
If we do not hang together we will apparently hang separately.Your post there is effectively a POLITICAL call to arms for GANG activity aimed at disruption of open discourse, not reasoned individual contributions to the discourse on scientific/logics merits. No more 'gangs' and/or 'herd mentality' please, DS! Thanks.
...and because your so-called "science" ignores the scientific method, it can't be called science. Which part of THAT do you not understand?Whoa there, buddy! What makes you fit to criticize MY science and contributions here to the science discourse? You, who have NOT been correct all along like I have, on many fronts; including Bicep2 fiasco and recent mainstream discovery/reviews confirming ME correct and NOT you/that 'gang' of pretend 'scientists' who prefer to troll, bash cranks, bot-vote and otherwise insult and sabotage science discussion....anything BUT 'doing science', but only 'parroting' OLD orthodoxy like all those 'science writer' HACKS who are decades behind the evolving situation which makes them sound like broken records!
- saw the Bicep2 flaws immediately
Forget Bicep -What are you saying, FSC! Remember the truism:
He who forgets their history is doomed to repeat it!It is because many so-called 'scientists' have CONVENIENT amnesia and in-denial herd-mentality that Bicep2 fiasco was allowed to happen AT ALL.
you know of course that the march of science will pass you by without ever noticing you - the ragged toothless beggar at the side of the road - bleating about something or other, words lost in the slipstream of constant scientific progress.You're in denial, FSC. Science is "passing you by" not me.
Your post there is effectively a POLITICAL call to arms for GANG activity
@RC:Wow, mate, that technique let you down BADLY in that Bicep2 fiasco, where YOU and your 'science-by-trolling-and-bot-voting gang consensus' got it all wrong, and me correct. You still haven't learned anything from that, have you antialias? Ego and denial is strong in the types who would call for a gang mentality to take precedent over individual responsibility for applying scrupulously the TRULY objective scientific method AT ALL TIMES and all circumstances....even here; instead of your insults, bot-voting 'gang' stupidities skewing the metrics here. Shame on you, antialias. Shame.Your post there is effectively a POLITICAL call to arms for GANG activity
He's just describing a standalone-complex (bonus points to who gets the reference). Separate people coming independently to the same conclusion.
(That just happens to be be how scientific theories are strengthened. So it's the scientific process applied to a social problem..i.e.: you)
@RCEach iteration involves proof where I was correct all along and YOU/gang WRONG all along. So naturally, your EMBARRASSMENT at being SO WRONG SO OFTEN would propel your ego-saving attempt to save face against the terrible truth about yourselves: in-denial rationalizations while insulting from self-imposed ignorance and malice....at a 'strength' which would make the real anti-science cranks green with envy that they couldn't muster up such 'industrial strength' arrogance, stupidity and malice for their own agendas.I'm the one... I'm the one... I'm the one... and I'm the one... I've been the oneYou've obviously been playing too often with your one-eyed snake down there!
@RC - you know of course that the march of science will pass you by without ever noticing you - the ragged toothless beggar at the side of the road - bleating about something or other, words lost in the slipstream of constant scientific progress
@RCWhat the hell, FSC? Where have you been the last decade of my Internet Experiments PROVING beyond shadow of doubt the existence of certain internet mod-troll gangs sabotaging, banning posters etc for their own sick ego-tripping 'enjoyment'?Ego and denial is strong...in you. Straight from the horse's mouth!
@RC, if you had even a shred of decency and critical self-analysis, you'd understand what's going on here, with people "ganging up on you" actually pointing out to you the flaws in your reasoning and approach, you poor deluded fool. But you don't, and you very evidently can't, GET IT.
I do as well on science too. But you wouldn't have noticed that, being as how you are so busy excusing trolling, bot-voting insulting ignoramuses 'gang' on a science site; so missing all the good science on offer from mainstream and me. Never mind, FSC, go back to sleep.'industrial strength' arroganceI like that - you can come up with a pretty turn of phrase when you put your mind to it.
If the shoe fits, FSC. But your foot is so stuck in your mouth of late, FSC, it's soggy troll-shoes for you! Maybe a dunce's cap borrowed from Uncle Ira would help keep you warm and dry (and even more ignorant, unfortunately) while your troll-shoes dry out...if ever.I applaud the newer crop of more objective, respectful and selfless scientistsObjective, respectful, selfless: no doubt you include yourself among these paragons of scientific endeavour.
So, when someone says they do "Internet Banking", you ridicule them like that too? Lame, FSC, lame. Evasive and just plain lame. Not only an inadequate 'scientists', but an inadequate 'jester' too. Never mind, there must be something you can do right. Let us know when you find it, FSC. So that's perfectly clear, hope everybody is keeping up... FSC, you were told that site has only interim incomplete works at present; yet you took that out of context crucial for consistent understanding across the whole works when published complete. That desperate, FSC? :(Where have you been the last decade of my Internet Experiments PROVING beyond shadow of doubt the existence of certain internet mod-troll gangs sabotaging, banning posters etc for their own sick ego-tripping 'enjoyment'?Your "Internet Experiments"? You put the internet in a test-tube? you measured the troll-gangs with a micrometer/voltmeter/E-meter/tailor's tape measure and proved their existence?
@434a - Good work done there in following up on RC's claims - it's more than I was prepared to do. Thanks!
Hi @RC You assume much, I did indeed read the one criticism that you put forward to ImFromCanda.I merely noted the absence of your mention of my mention of one flaw I DID to @imfromcanada; and again pointed out that the situation is not one for facile searches, as I also explained to @imfromcanada
This is what you refer toIt was my observations/insights since supported by Planck results. :)I was expecting a little more than this given the continued criticism you have levelled at the research. Would it be churlish to point out it is one person's unsupported opinion rather than a rigorously sourced refutation and that it is 1 not 4.
https://phys.org/...rgy.html
- Bicep2 etc assumption (ie, that PRIMORDIAL quantum fluctuations would GROW and be large enough to show up 'now' in CMB) is obviously counter-logical; as the 'smoothing' RATIONAL FOR 'Inflation' would WEAKEN, extremely DIFFUSE into undetectability any such;
It was my observations/insights since supported by Planck results. :)
Unfortunately they still haven't changed the usual spiel about CMB and BB etc myths. They have come far, to be sure, to even admit that CMB can be so affected even at local scale let alone through cosmic travel distances! But they have a long way to go before the whole litany of BB/Inflation/Expansion/exotic DM and DE etc MYTHS are flushed from the scientific literature and we get back to serious reality-based scientific method application rather than maths/religious/metaphysics etc UNREALITY nonsense that has been 'passed by peer review' for too long. It has taken DECADES for Penrose/Steinhardt to self-correct, admit that BB/Inflation were bogus artifacts of fantasy not real scientific/logical hypotheses.It was my observations/insights since supported by Planck results. :)
Hi @RC
This paper? https://arxiv.org...02.01589
You've evidently overlooked my several comments in this thread on Herbig-Haro objects (HHOs), jets and disks all features of the system featured in the article you really ought to pay attention, you know.
Having said that, I do realize these things are easy to miss when you're unable to tell reality from a ripe fig.
FSC, your cavalier disregard for others' work is telling of your attitude in general to all things serious. Like science/logics method/principles, for instance. What you are doing is like taking a picture of an artist's work in progress. Misleading.FSC, you were told that site has only interim incomplete works at present; yet you took that out of context crucial for consistent understanding across the whole works when published complete.So you don't deny it's your own work then... Well, old pal, people have been waiting for several years now for this magnum opus of yours to be published, so I thought it might be helpful to give them a taster of at least some of your ideas, even if they are just "interim" and "incomplete" and a little out of date.
The quotes will surely at least give us a hint of the style of writing and the breadth and depth of your explanation of "the Universe's nature, origin, structure and mechanics". No small task for a mere human.
Except this is a science site, and people deserve to see at least some of the "work" you keep telling them about.........and so far, the only "work" you've been showing up with are your foul mouthed name calling binges. Within this entire thread, I have yet to see anything that comports to standards that could be labeled SCIENCE, you're just following the Stumpy trail with no separation between the two of you.
What a situation we find ourselves in, what an age, when false news and Hogwarts science can reach so many, as to pose a real danger to the truth@FSC
to moderate using existing known educated posters
Except this is a science site, and people deserve to see at least some of the "work" you keep telling them about
......and so far, the only "work" you've been showing up with are your foul mouthed name calling binges. Within this entire thread, I have yet to see anything that comports to standards that could be labeled SCIENCE, you're just following the Stumpy trail with no separation between the two of you.
FineStructureConstant......to follow.......down the Stumpy trail??? No pent up Professional Science topics down that trail. I see where you get your lead from.
Oh do shut up Benni, there's a good fellow...
And what ensued from his 'piecemeal' publishing prematurely? Nasty bitter and acrimonious controversy over DECADES with his 'peers', which could have been avoided and his time better spent in refining/completing his SR/GR theory. I am too old and lack the energy levels required for such time and energy wasting 'indulgence'. Besides, I have already given people here examples, hints, clues, insights and known science reminders. This is a news/comment/discussion site not a 'peer review' site. I soundboard, discuss, remind etc as I see fit. If that's ok with you/gang of bot-voting ignoramus trolls.What you are doing is like taking a picture of an artist's work in progressExcept this is a science site, and people deserve to see at least some of the "work"...., and of your scientific credibility.
I take it you're talking about Einstein: well, controversy is par for the course when creating a new scientific paradigm, which GR certainly turned out to be.But I want to avoid said controversy stage lasting decades. That's the whole point of finalizing/publishing a consistent, complete work.
But you're wrong about his "refining/completing his SR/GR theory" - SR was already basically completed in 1905, and he only later turned his attention to what would become GR.You must have missed the nastiness between him and detractors for decades over SR, FSC. And all the 'help' given him by a succession of mathematicians, of which period/effect Einstein said in jesting admission:
Now the mathematicians have invaded my theory I don't understand it myself anymore!
You flatter yourself - there is no "comparison" between us.True indeed!
No, FSC. Revert to objective science/logics method/discourse. :)Rethink it allAbandon the scientific method
This is again you bring up the "paddyboy-Skippy" and the "Trout-Skippy". Who are theyThe "Trout" troll infested the old physorg before the split to PO and physforum, and afterwards, and had more than one sockpuppet name there. When even the corrupt mods/admin there has a gutful of that troll he migrated with some of his old mod-troll gang buddies with whom he proceeded to carry out the same nastiness/collusioin in order to get genuine posters banned at Sciforums (for whatever sick agendas he/his 'protector' mods had in their twisted minds).
Let's see, novel insights/observations, from my novel reality-based theorizing process, are being increasingly confirmed correct all along by recent mainstream discovery/reviews on many fronts.Revert to objective science/logics method/discourseBy those criteria, and if what we've already seen of your interim work is any guide to the style and methodology of your as-yet unpublished ouevre, it will almost certainly turn out to be nothing more than a rambling, turgid work of fiction with no predictive ability, hence providing no means by which it may be falsified, and therefore no hope of being accepted as science.
My advice to you would therefore be to take your own advice: "Revert to objective science/logics method/discourse", if you possibly can.Been there since age 9. You haven't been at all, FSC. :)
Why mention? Cautionary tale, Ira. :)Well I will keep a watch-out for them,,,, if I spot one of them you want me to take of them or do you want me to just let you know what they are up to?
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