it is the underlying trend which is producing these record numbers," GISS Director Gavin Schmidt said.[
Hmm... wonder why the "underlying trend" took a vacation from the Atlantic and Antarctic.
Can someone comment of how WWII (temporarily) raise the Earth's global mean temperature? By almost 0.5^o C!
Can someone comment of how WWII (temporarily) raise the Earth's global mean temperature? By almost 0.5^o C!Well, hard to comment on something that does not appear to have happened. If anything, there was slight cooling from roughly 1940 - 1975 as a result of high pollution levels http://earthobser...e4.php). According to this graph:(https://alumni.st...aph.gif) temperatures rose steadily from 1880 to about 1940, when they suddenly fell. This was a result of a combination of natural variability (you see that elsewhere in the same graph) and, more importantly, human pollution, especially aerosols (See here: https://www.skept...ced.htm)
Can someone comment of how WWII (temporarily) raise the Earth's global mean temperature? By almost 0.5^o C!
@Maggnus
Your links are broken; you pasted extraneous symbols. Here are the corrected links:
http://earthobser...ure4.php
Why do so many arseholes post here? Is it the glitz? The glamour? The free Cheetos?
What I like is the ability of global warmers to fit any data into their theory.
What I like is the ability of global warmers to fit any data into their theory. So, global warmers, why is Antarctic ice coverage increasing? Warming sure is localized, which is why they call it "weather."|
Articles like this leave the impression with the reader that NASA scientists and engineers all share the same opinion on this matter. They don't.
Look at that trendline! It's almost vertical in recent years! It will be a matter of a decade before the oceans become pure carbonic acid and boil! Hey wait... why is the baseline 1880 to 1899? Seems rather arbitrary to me. Oh I see, temperature records indicate a solid cooling trend during that period. "Science" needs to stop shooting itself in the foot with mistakes or intentional biases like this. Most people wouldn't notice this of course but some do and it hurts their reputation.
This gives a 2-month temperature fall of -0.37 deg. C, which is the second largest in the 37+ year satellite record…the largest was -0.43 deg. C in Feb. 1988.
jeffwhy is the baseline 1880 to 1899?makes sense to me - the record begins in 1880 - so take the first 10 years as a base line. How do you think the graph would be different if they had selected a different time period for the base line. What would be your reasoning for picking a different time period?
Look at that trendline! It's almost vertical in recent years! It will be a matter of a decade before the oceans become pure carbonic acid and boil! Hey wait... why is the baseline 1880 to 1899? Seems rather arbitrary to me. Oh I see, temperature records indicate a solid cooling trend during that period. "Science" needs to stop shooting itself in the foot with mistakes or intentional biases like this. Most people wouldn't notice this of course but some do and it hurts their reputation.
The silly remarks you make only hurt your own reputation.
Hey wait... your reputation is already at rock bottom.
I take that back, then.
So yes, this year is the warmest since temperature records began in 1880.
Look at that trendline! It's almost vertical in recent years! It will be a matter of a decade before the oceans become pure carbonic acid and boil! Hey wait... why is the baseline 1880 to 1899? Seems rather arbitrary to me. Oh I see, temperature records indicate a solid cooling trend during that period.
"Science" needs to stop shooting itself in the foot with mistakes or intentional biases like this.
Records only catalogue 0.000000025 of biosphere history, so of course any trend will set continuous records in such a small sample
Those who claim to be rational cannot explain why planets in solar system all heating up concurrently
And now you're demonstrating you've never bothered to learn about how we reconstruct past temperature records.
I'm a physicist- Phys1
Let's check out the physics from the physicist on this thread in order of posts:Yeah hmmm I wonder hmmm quite hmmm
yup
bschott trying to be funny.
bschott, you are not funny. you are sick.
I am completely serious....you are a fraud and a liar. My first post displays the extent of your physics abilities. (because there is no physics in any one of your posts ya see....just juvenile, troll like behaviour towards other posters.)
j 130 years of temp records - plus the proxy data scientists have developed - gives the scientists a great deal of information
So you are not disagreeing with me - you are disagreeing with facts. That seems par for the course with you.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on that one. It gives us information about the patterns/trends observed within that 130 years, which as I said is nothing in the grand scheme. And you have to consider that early records were not subject to the same requirements as present ones. Proxy data is good at giving a general picture but resolution is often lost. We have a handful of geographical locations where resolution is high... so how much should we infer about global patterns based on that limited data? A lot of the panic around AGW hinges on the "unprecedented" nature of current warming. I argue we simply don't have enough real data to make that sort of statement.A well worded rebuttal. Your point is really not valid, and I argue that fine point detail (daily temps to weekly) is not required. We have strong and accurate proxies that give us a good understanding of past climate back to at least 10,000 years ago and a reasonable record going back much further.
You seem to constantly miss the point being made. It is not about opionion - it is about science.
We are developing ways of doing this in a win/win/win manner (clean/cheap/abundant renewable energy).
Prediction is difficult, especially prediction of the future.
The only way to be 100% sure is hindsight vision.
Btw you changed my line and still put quotes around it.
That is fraud,.....heee...hawww
Angry? I just conclude that it is fraud.
Globalists in this thread have proven their ignorance of basic science. Several seem to be posing from Israel in furtherance of their zionist carbon tax enrichment scheme
I have shown them to be wrong so they only continue on with trolling tactics, which fits standard Israeli aggression temperament
gkam, unfortunately for us all, you appear to be correct.Well let's not get that carried away! :)
So for me, the debate is over. While it is comforting to be supported by mountains of science, I don't need it, I know it has warmed.Well said. The science and the facts are the same, and they do not care who believes - they just are.
Lydia, push that duck off of you and stand up!George kamburoff is so desperate for conversation he is talking to spam now.
NASA "science".
When no hurricanes hit you, it's LUCK. However, when they do it's GloBull warming from manmade CO2.
What I like is the ability of global warmers to fit any data into their theory. |
What I like is the ability of global warmers to fit any data into their theory. So, global warmers, why is Antarctic ice coverage increasing?
some of us a old enough and observant enough to notice the differences in our lifetimes from a personal perspective. Winters that just don't get as cold, changes in the patterns of rain to more intense and short-lived, the retreat of the end of sledding/skiing season, the increase in the number of punishingly hot days, etc. It may be anecdotal, but I am convinced from a personal perspective that it has warmed from my childhood when I grew up without air-conditioning.
This isn't scientific in the least yet somehow "proponents" of science give it a 5-star rating@jeffe
It may be anecdotal, but I am convinced from a personal perspectiveIOW- he noted that this is anecdote and it is his perspective
While it is comforting to be supported by mountains of science, I don't need ithe has noted that the mountains of evidence actually support his anecdote
And we've seen below zero temps here in Virginia the last couple of winters. Does that mean it's getting colder?Francis et al
You can't "feel" climate change... you feel weatherpartially true
"Climate change" as we know it is just an abstract number for which the methodology of attainment changes from year to yearand you can prove this with evidence?
It's... revisionistso, making adjustments due to degradation/etc of equipment is a bad idea?
and you can prove this with evidence?
by all means, show your proof of this
Are you really suggesting you aren't familiar enough with the methodology that you have to ask for evidence?@el-Jeffe
is a good exampleis it?
I have nothing against improving methodology... unfortunately most of the "improvements" we see are adjustments to actual observations to make them fit models betterhere is the problem i see with that statement:
perhaps the problem isn't the science so much as it's your opinionated interpretations of it?
you don't mind improving methodology as long as it fits your biased interpretation of what it "should" be
Sure..it was also the 2nd biggest El Nino on record.
...oh, and it completely dissipated in the month of June. We now are in ENSO neutral conditions.
Call me when crocodiles are living in the Arctic like they did in the past.
... 66 excuses...@antiG
It's pretty clear what I said and it wasn't that@jeffe
There's a difference between correcting for known biases which was PART of what this study attempted and interpolating data with a particular outcome in mindand again: evidence is the key here
You pulled another straw man out of thin airactually, i was making a point about your own strawman
we can't accurately isolate the effects of higher temps from other manmade impacts or natural variabilityi disagree
... 66 excuses...@antiG
only you would call the search for answers "excuses"
do you really wonder why you're ridiculed with nonsensical reasoning like that?
to read and explain the link@antiG troll
i usually don't open links from you at all ! why would i?
Ob-comps are very sensitive@ChiefFartingDog
notice that the refusal to read his pseudoscience link meant that everyone who didn't is "the consummate retard"?
"change of grades"?
Really? You'd do that to your own character for money?
But why would you get enjoyment from the desired distress of others? Widening Schadenfreude?You know the answer to that one, don't you?
Uh, . no, WG. I do not sell my power to the utility, and I am already on a time-of-use rate.
And we have powered the house, the car, and have over 100 kWh banked as credits. We will draw on them and probably have to start paying in deep winter. It is doing much better than they promised.
But why would you get enjoyment from the desired distress of others?
Widening Schadenfreude?
"So they give you credits instead of cash? Even easier for them to take back in the future"
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Hoping for it?
I already explained to you folk the power we generate goes into the line and we get credit for the kWh exported to our neighbors instead of being generated hundreds of miles away and transmitted and distributed to here.
Most of our usage is at night, so we are actually trading our high-value kWh for their lower-value kWh, but it is fine with us.
no suffering involvedWell not for you.
antigoracle
Jul 19, 2016Hmm... wonder why the "underlying trend" took a vacation from the Atlantic and Antarctic.