Aug 26, 2015
"This contrasted the predictions of the mathematical 'fitness' model that there should be a peak in attractiveness around a BMI of 24 to 24.8"

So they really thought that the most physically attractive body would be that of a person bordering on obesity? Seriously? And they think a NORMAL, HEALTHY bmi is "extreme thinness"?!!

As if this wasn't weird enough, they also draw non-sequitur conclusions. Observers thought fat people were older than skinny people, therefore thinner people are deemed more attractive because they look younger, which is the evolutionary reason for this preference? I don't see how you can reasonably draw that conclusion from the data. Sounds like imposing preconceived ideas on the data to me.
Aug 26, 2015
As if this wasn't weird enough, they also draw non-sequitur conclusions. Observers thought fat people were older than skinny people, therefore thinner people are deemed more attractive because they look younger


That wasn't a conclusion they made.

They made parallel observations: people thought thin people were more attractive, and they also thought the fat people look older. Therefore the inference is that young people look more attractive, rather than people look attractive because they appear to be young.

Aug 26, 2015
Some women of size are going to get their knockers in a twist over this, mark my words. The very idea that men would get to decide what they find attractive is problematic for some of them. The idea that it is a built-in evolutionary program is even worse. The implication that they are objectively evolutionarily less fit than other women sends them to the fainting-couch.
No, obviously the cis-het-male patriarchal construction of standards of beauty is the problem.
Aug 27, 2015
Fat women in nonwestern societies are usually considered more attractive than thin ones--but there is an evolutionary psychological explanation for this--attractiveness adjusts if exposed to famine caused thinness (something that once was the norm). But EP explanations can be made in any direction you want.
Aug 27, 2015
"This might suggest there is an optimum level of fatness that is maximally attractive which is somewhere in between."

That part is a little too much trivial. So now, the scientists have built a model which incorporates these factors(survival and ability to reproduce) plus youth that gives an optimum number for the BMI. I can understand that part, too.

But comparing this number with the opinion of people (which in itself is a result of many factors and varies among different generations) and concluding that the age was the result of the discrepancy is way too much simple-­minded. Are we to believe that we now understand all factors important for attractiveness?

Say for example, I find one more factor which is important for attractiveness (which I don't find very hard to find). Then the model would produce a different number and this makes this whole work worthless.

Science used to be more than that.
Aug 27, 2015
Say for example, I find one more factor


There's a more generalized criticism over these kinds of studies, which is that concentrating on a single factor creates the illusion of importance. However, this is not a problem of the study, but a problem of the reader.

The example scenario is to ask people who are about to buy a car to rate cars according to how fast the electric windows wind up. Obviously the fastest is the best, so the experiment concludes that people would prefer a car with faster electric windows - when in reality people don't necessarily pay any attention to that detail when actually buying a car.

In this study we're looking at a narrow selection of features in isolation from the rest, which reveals some information about those particular factors but does not disclose their importance relative to the whole deal.

So you should really avoid over-interpreting and over-applying the results of the study.
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Aug 27, 2015
Docile, that a small sample of women with severe endometriosis are nearly 4x more likely to be attractive does not show that more attractive women are at higher risk for endometriosis. Your other attempted points are without evidence, and likely wrong.
Aug 27, 2015
The pretty people tend to parthenogenesis and asexual life style - not just psychologically, but also biologically.

Hmm, fascinating. I trained in genetics and I'm not aware of parthenogenesis occurring in humans having been reported in any of the literature, outside of some frankly dubious claims in religious texts, that is. I'd love to read your references for this.
Aug 28, 2015
The pretty people tend to parthenogenesis and asexual life style - not just psychologically, but also biologically.
Hmm, fascinating. I trained in genetics and I'm not aware of parthenogenesis occurring in humans having been reported in any of the literature, outside of some frankly dubious claims in religious texts, that is. I'd love to read your references for this.
@Mal
good luck with that... you're asking zephir to give you evidence. you know what that means? he still believes in aether theory and says we don't investigate cold fusion because of a worldwide conspiracy... and all that without getting into hot topics like Climate Change!

i suggest beefing up your internet security, anti-virus and also using an anonymizer before using ANY link he gives you...
and i also suggest using a computer from someone you don't like too, just to be safe
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Aug 31, 2015
Another study which turns the truth on its head. Look at women, the married are fatter on average, the older are fatter, the ones with kids are fatter. There has to be a reason since fatter is true both today and in the past. Look at all those medieval painting of women, fatter not thinner. Thinner is the way to attract a mate, most likely for the reason stated in the study. What happens if the women remains attractive? Death, destruction and no kids living to adult hood as the males fight for possession. How does the female solve this problem? She gets fat, any female who did not dies or her kids die which is the same thing.
Aug 31, 2015
I don't see how you can reasonably draw that conclusion from the data. Sounds like imposing preconceived ideas on the data to me.


Agree.

This sort of "studies" always beg the question on why and how the cultural preferences of white US American males and females would be either be genetically or "evolutionary" coded.

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