Quite succinctly explains what must be counter-intuitive, as the article says, to " the public's perception of how polar ice should respond to a warming climate".

The average person has an excuse but there are many contributors on here who don't and argue that somehow it's because GW is not happening. It is. There is no general cooling in the Antarctic seas or air above...
http://en.wikiped...2007.jpg

Yes climate responses to any redistribution of heat will be complex, especially when considering a medium where ice can form in a range of 0C to -2C, depending on salinity. and is mobile.

This increase in Antarctic ice is UNPRECEDENTED!
The increase in Arctic ice this year compared to last year is also UNPRECEDENTED.
It's interesting, to me, that Guy Williams' attempts to explain things away carefully avoids pointing out the real reasons for what is behind these UNPRECEDENTED increases:
It's the Sun, ...stupid!
It's also the present phases of the AMO and PDO.
It's also the insensitivity of Earths climate to CO2 concentration, e.g. no statistically significant warming for essentially 17 yrs, in spite of a 9% increase in CO2 concentration over that time.
It's All Natural.

Time to end this CAGW, state religion melodrama that is costing everyone ~$1000 million/DAY (~$1 billion/day). $1000 million PER DAY!!!

Wake up children, we are being fleeced by the "policy makers".

Could this have something to do with a change in wind and ocean currents? Very interesting.

Finally, we're beginning to understand how complex our planetary weather/climate patterns are. I only hope we're getting away from announcing vast conclusions based on somewhat less than vast data.

So many caveats in this article. Just tell us the facts straight, without trying to come up with so many excuses. Ice is only made if temperatures drop. Period


This is, of course, true. However it misses the point.
The point is why is it growing when all thermometers are indicating no cooling.

Read my earlier post and the article.

Could this have something to do with a change in wind and ocean currents? Very interesting.


Sinister: It can only be that and/or reduction in salinity

http://phys.org/n...ate.html
http://phys.org/n...ice.html
http://phys.org/n...293.html

Why do I suppose that if the Arctic ice were growing and the Antarctic ice shrinking that this line:

"we find this net increase actually masks strong declines in particular regions"

would be applied to the Arctic instead of the Antarctic.

And why is there no line about how the decrease in Arctic ice actually masks strong INCREASES in particular regions?

Because, it's a religion, folks. You are a true believer or you're out of the cult.

Why do I suppose that if the Arctic ice were growing and the Antarctic ice shrinking that this line:

"we find this net increase actually masks strong declines in particular regions"

would be applied to the Arctic instead of the Antarctic.

And why is there no line about how the decrease in Arctic ice actually masks strong INCREASES in particular regions?

Because, it's a religion, folks. You are a true believer or you're out of the cult.


Err because the Arctic is enclosed and all of it freezes in winter. It has nowhere to go with often winds not allowing it out of the few outlets it has to escape. The Antarctic is not and the ice is free to be blown about ( preferential to prevailing winds).

This article is nothing but concocted damage control.

The goal of every salesman is to turn negative into positive: ie more amperage draw on your power tool means more power, or (in this case) more ice is a sure-fire sign of agw.

Jay Carney would be proud of such bullsh*t!

Good article, but, it misses the largest most obvious correlation; melting glacial ice releases cold non-saline water into-I should say "onto" the sea. This lighter water mixes poory and freezes easily.

That should about put the issue to bed for any denier who is not on a pay-roll,or simply insane.

Goodness @verkle-when ice feezes it releases energy into the environment. Lots of it-this is why the biggest snow storms hover around 0C/32F.

So scenario: Very cold water, lots of it, much lighter than sea water enters the sea during the day, when the temperature is say 33 F in the Sun.
At night the temperature drops by 5 degrees, and it freezes-there is now more ice. Has energy been added or removed from the system?

VendicarH, huh? Some people just can't take the hint.
Can't you vote for yourself by creating multiple usernames on another site-? Maybe FlatEarthers or some other up to your prowess?

I hate it when someone gives me percentages for comparison, when these percentages refer to two completely unrelated things. Let it be known exactly that the 3.6% increase from average in Antarctic sea ice during winter equals roughly 0.7 million square kilometers, whereas the 18% decrease from average in Arctic sea ice during summer equals roughly 1.6 million square kilometers. Because Arctic sea ice is smaller in surface - particularly during summer - precentages seem to blow the loss/gain ratio way out of proportion. The two quantities are, in fact, commensurate. The loss in Arctic is not more than 10 times greater than the gain in Antarctic, as percentages make it seem. It is only about 2.3 times greater.