Stop lying damnit, the ancient recently discovered city in south africa is 200 000 years old. And Puma Punku is 12 000 years at least.

Re; claims by Archbird: Somebody has read too much "Tarzan" or von Däniken.

Arcbird*

I've no ideá who von Däniken is and Tarzan I barely know anything about, look up the sites yourself, it's pretty obvious.

With no evidence cited, I cannot refute the conclusions. It is, however, strange to me that almost everything archeologists find is ceremonial, religious, fetish, or sacrificial.

With an article that is essentially a long headline (very little information), I prefer to think of this as a community BBQ.

I prefer to think of this as a community BBQ.

Why were they BBQing in the temple? Fundraiser? Maybe they will find evidence of a bake sale there too.
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While the initial findings of large sites tends to be the big temple of the site that just makes sense.

The temple is the largest building. After excavation of the temple then the surrounding area is looked at and then the homes are found IF they were made of stone of some other lasting material. Entire S.American villages have been uncovered complete with cooking utensils, vases, urns, and wall decorations.

Arcbird*

I've no ideá who von Däniken is and Tarzan I barely know anything about, look up the sites yourself, it's pretty obvious.

So look up von daniken and tarzan. Learn something new.

With no evidence cited, I cannot refute the conclusions. It is, however, strange to me that almost everything archeologists find is ceremonial, religious, fetish, or sacrificial.

These were the only things usually built or carved from stone. Although I think things such as mounds were more for comfort than religion, to avoid flies and catch the breeze.

El Paraiso archeological site in a valley just north of Lima

Well now looters know where they need to go.

'if there were similar 'technologies' around at the time how were they communicated to other lands?

It is called diplomacy. Ancient Leaders found that, in order to conquer the world, they had to begin working together to fight the true enemies of rulers everywhere: the people. The people, whose numbers would always grow faster than the means they had of supporting themselves, and then blame their rulers for their misery who were powerless to prevent it.

And so rulers began scheming together against the people, by pitting them against one another in Creative and Proactive Ways. Rulers intermarried and a new Tribe of Leaders emerged, dedicated to preserving civilization against the flood of humanity at all costs.

Needless to say, this meme was an easy sell and spread worldwide very quickly. The Formula is easy to understand and easily repeated, which is why we can recognize it on all continents and among all cultures which had managed to survive for any length of time.

was similar the later Egyptian which suggests that communication wasn't very fast. Yet some artifacts from cultures much further distant suggest otherwise.

How did the conquistadors communicate with mesoamericans? How did Xian missionaries communicate with indigenes around the world?

Communication is not the issue. The issue is WHAT you have to communicate.

A ship shows up on the shores of precolombian Mexico. An emissary steps off with many strange gifts and a desire to speak with whoever is in charge. Soon afterward, irrigation commences, granaries are built, temples are erected, enemies are crushed, and an eerily familiar civilization emerges from the jungle.

Macchu picchu was built in anticipation of the invasion, 60 yrs before the spaniards got there. It was a refuge for a Priesthood who knew full well what was to come. For They had Established an empire expressly Designed to be conquered.

What WAS possible then was to be taught by those (Sumerians for example) who could teach. I'm suggesting that megolithic and similar structures were appearing almost simultaneously far and wide yet there wasn't an adequate MEANS of long distance communication.

By simultaneously you mean over the course of a generation or 2, a few 100 yrs, a millennium or so. Plenty of time for Emissaries to travel around the world and back, by land or sea. The world is a lot smaller than we were taught.

Marco polo, lief Ericsson, Magellan, etc ranged far and wide. Evidence is that china traded with the Americas. The possibility of intercontinental travel has existed for millenia. Phoenicia plied the African coast and colonized Britain.

Roman artifacts have been found in brazil. Cocaine and tobacco has been found within the tissues of Egyptian mummies. Much evidence. What journeys didn't history record?

generations to build and that would need some type language and maths so that one generation could pass 'it on'.

A Priesthood can last for an indefinite period of time, preserving traditions and spreading the good Word to rulers everywhere.

'We understand the problems you have with your people. Rulers everywhere share these problems. We have a Solution which has worked for them and it will work for you as well.

You and the kings in the other cities will begin Planning your battles so that your victories will be over your people, and not each other. They will fight and die, your culture will endure. OUR culture. Join the Club.'

Marco polo spread exactly this message as emissary for the khan, who was Agent of Empire.

there was little or no adaequate language to do this. I am saying that we are missing an important 'link.

If you think that people have to share a common language in order to communicate, you're obviously wrong. Translators can be educated in a matter of weeks. Cultures have been contacting, interacting, trading with one another forever.

perhaps 10's of thousands of years yet there is no evidence of their designs eleswhere, are unique to that part of the world. There is no evidence of a language that predates Sumerian (6000yrs BC). In other words apart from pictures there was NO language to teach.

?? Are you saying that people didnt communicate verbally before then? People have been speaking for at least 100k years.
http://en.wikiped...language

-I believe the genesis of this tribe of Leaders took place fairly recently because, as you say, mega-builder civilizations arose within a few 1000 years of each other. Communal farming made it possible, and also caused all the problems which made it essential, and inevitable. This began perhaps 10,000 years ago.

it seems to me that there was almost a 'competition' going on.

There was indeed competition going on, but it was over resources. Mankind had produced for itself a state of constant overpopulation, by systematically eliminating those natural attritive elements which had kept its numbers in check. Mans principal enemy thus became the tribe next door.

So someone constucts a few stones to represent something

People have been building things for defense against the elements, animals, and that other tribe you are talking about, for a long time.

"An artist's rendering of a temporary wood house, based on evidence found at Terra Amata (in Nice, France) and dated to the Lower Paleolithic (c. 400,000 BP)"
http://en.wikiped...eolithic

-All of this - weapons making, hunting and fighting in teams, building fortifications etc required detailed communicating skills. They developed in concert,

Developing a Language to tell another tribe to 'push off' was hardly necessary when it was quicker to bash them with a well designed club, very effective in telling them they weren't welcome!

Yeah but the effort of telling them required planning, scheming, anticipating their movements, and coordinating the attack among many participants. This is direct evidence of verbal communication.

4-5000 years communities of 5000 people plus ,with writing an other skills were present in Europe yet wasn't 'communicated' to Britain (just over the water) until much later.

Sorry I don't know what you're trying to say. You have links or something?