Currently owning a "green" car is a form of public charity.
Cost is another major concern as consumers "tend to have a poor ability to do the math in terms of what they're going to pay and what they're going to save"
And what's wrong with public charity?
although the industry and lawmakers are hell bent to push it down - while lithium batteries have a lifespan of around 5 years.
for 70Euros a month...which is a bit much
I realize that most people just think of themselves and don't care [..] - if only it'll happen tomorow instead of today) But some people actually don't think that way. They have no problem with going above and beyond '[..] it comes to being social (to the species).
Everyones actions are intrinsically egoistic in nature. Everyone does things for their own personal gain and best interest, even people who buy green cars, to be known as being "concerned about the environment", or people who volunteer at a soup kitchen, to be known as "someone who cares".For someone who claims to know quantum logic you do a piss poor job at nontransitive reasoning
never had any govt handoutI highly doubt this. Have you ever used a public road?
Everyones actions are intrinsically egoistic in nature.Rand is discredited. Only psychopaths believe this.
It's a lot much, because for the kind of short driving you would use the EV for, it comes much more expensive than the gasoline.
so you have to commute more than 45 km every time just to break even
No one knowingly acts counter to their best interests.
@triplehelixnever had any govt handoutI highly doubt this. Have you ever used a public road?
@noumenonEveryones actions are intrinsically egoistic in nature.Rand is discredited. Only psychopaths believe this.
Yes, built and paid for by my road tax, income tax, and council tax. The government don't own anything, they take money and redistribute it
Everyones actions are intrinsically egoistic in nature.Rand is discredited.
No one knowingly acts counter to their best interests.If you want to define "feeling good about not hurting the environment" as being an egoistic drive.
But that doesn't mean that one type of egoism is as good as any another.
...and being Known as someone who is aware of and concerned about environmental issues.
Getting the 'word out' about long term negative effects to the environment and expecting the masses to react
Since governments do tend to spend more than they get in tax revenue we all take handouts. Our taxes doesn't cover the expenses.
we indirectly live off of the misery in other countries (ripping off their resources so we can have them cheap, forcing them to pay low wages so we can have our gadgets cheap, ... )
The whole POINT about caring about the environment is that you realize that you can't eat/breathe money. And once you realize THAT you automaticaly realize that you can't eat/breathe the envy/admiration of others, either. Only people who still live in the "money is all important" (read: "it's the economy-stupid") mindset wuld think that the attention of others matters by comparison - because they still think money matters above all in the universe. And money - to them - is status.
What I'm saying is relying on people "to do the right thing" does not work.
If a government runs a deficit, it is spending money from future economic strength, future generations creating wealth.
We don't force them to pay low wages
They WANT to sell those resources
What I'm saying is relying on people "to do the right thing" does not work.
Sometimes it works.
We have been separating trash for decades now. There is no immediately obvious benefit (and certainly no monetary benefit) to the one who has to separate the trash at home. But by now nearly everyone does it because everyone understands that it's a sensible thing to do.
And how did we get there? Through educating people in where the wider benefits of that practice lie (as well as showing the contrast to countries where this isn't done).
We don't force them to pay low wages
Are you aware that companies outsource to these countries BECAUSE they pay low wages? Thepeople there don't want low wages. They want HIGH wages - but they can't get them. And we abuse that. We COULD go there and say: "we'll pay you what it's worth" - but we don't.
Good point, but there is no personal loss or extra cost associated with separating trash
Buying an electric car even though considerably more expensive
Why would companies outsource to China if they had to pay the same labour costs as in their own country.
We are providing those people jobs
they have been engineered specifically to be ugly
And of course you couldn't possibly put a decent sized battery in it.
they say its due to cost, but I'd venture it costs them less than $100 to make the batteries they charge $10,000 for.
Why would companies outsource to China if they had to pay the same labour costs as in their own country.
Exactly. And it isn't because they can't pay higher wages. They just abuse it that they can get away with paying low wages in other countries. We're getting freebies. Why do you think fair trade coffe (etc.) costs so much more? And even THAT isn't throwing money at the coffe farmers.We are providing those people jobs
Every job they provide is one they take away from somewhere else.
But I'd wager that as soon as we get to the 'margibally' more expensive bracket things will change. It doesn't always have to be cheaper for people to change over.
bottomlesssoul
Jan 15, 2013