Humans, with their limited sense of smell, can't even gauge the complexity of messages contained in olfactory markings, which may be as rich in information as the visual world," he says.
Are we saying that but for opposable thumbs, a dog would've figured out the theory of relativity instead of a man?
The article is qualitative at best, but the authors almost stumbled into a clue that might have led to deeper insight, when they mentioned the agricultural revolution. It turns out that brains are metabolically expensive - enough so that one particular human invention created a distinct difference between humans and even their primate kin.Agreed. And the actual invention (engineering) that started it all: the plow.
who ever wrote this crap should be fired, for being so foolish. Who ever published it on phy.org, hurt my view of phys.org, much more crap like this and I won't being comehing to this site any longer.
What's the saddest about it all is that how many fools pop-up even here a science site who believe this sort of shallow PETA/primitivist/liberal/zoophiliac nonsense.
Only a progressive... don't vote for Obama. (freethinking)
Notice the credentials of the person making these "shallow" claims.And your credentials, mzso?-
Michael, a gorilla... can give testimony valid in a court, but he has no rights in the human worldGoodall showed us that apes are compulsive liars and scatologists. Further their swearing on a bible would be meaningless.
" Even Aristotle, probably the most influential of all thinkers, argued that humans were superior to other animals due to our exclusive ability to reason,"Humans and other domesticated animals have had the ability to reason bred and educated out of them. By late adolescence they can easily be convinced to surrender reproductive rights, adopt a religion, fight in wars against people who are not their natural enemies, work in mind-numbing jobs they hate, wear funny-looking clothes just because they're fashionable, etc. Dogs will do backflips for biscuits. Neither is reasonable.
Because he wasn't an idiot
Notice the credentials of the person making these "shallow" claims.And your credentials, mzso?-
This is a foolish argument, I see it all the time by people who have zero rational arguments on their side. Not surprising. You already proved yourself the most deluded, braindead person in this comments section.
Just to spell it out: credentials don't make something stupid real. It does make the person who releases things like this a foolish, delusional crackpot.
Only a progressive or an extremely shielded form the real world person would ever make the statement "When a foreigner tries to communicate with us using an imperfect, broken, version of our language, our impression is that they are not very intelligent."
Perhaps because I'm not a progressive or that I have real world experience, I know right from the get go that someone who cannot speak a language very well doesn't mean they are not intelligent.
But that said, I will agree that animals are smarter than progressives. Animals don't vote for Obama.
So entertainment, politics, religion, war, and other deceptions were invented.
Neither Europeans do, ergo: We are all extremely intelligent in our good old continent
Humans are the only species on this planet- and, as far as we know for now, on any other -which possesses the potentiality of dispersing out into the wider Universe by their own efforts.
If you had really read the piece instead of reacting to it first, the article doesn't make assertions of superior intelligence at all. You've only proven what I've said earlier- humans are threatened by equality,
which allows for the mistreatment of other humans as well as animals.
The sheer ego to not even consider animals, like dolphins, to be on par with humans is another indication of a severe failing of reflection
What is Obama's definition of a lie?
http://www.boston...ory.html
Woops, now according to Progressives I'm a racists as I pointed out that King Almighty Obama lies.
@Noumenon:- Telekinetic -
I can't fault you for your low brow opinions because you're only a product of your fearful upbringing by a disciplinarian father who didn't believe in sparing the rod. Don't want to disagree with his type unless you want the belt. I'm sure I'm warm. Also, the late term abortion- is that because it's against your religion? I thought this was a science site- not some evangelical hootenanny. No, Noumenon, you're all mixed up. This article is about the ongoing discoveries made by real scientists who CAN separate facts from their belief systems.
There is nothing wrong with a proper amount of discipline, first off. Without discipline and learning self-discipline, you have unreasonable defiance against authority and the lawEasy to say isnt it pussytard. But you cannot help but post outrageous lies and ignorance in flood after flood. Per my profile page.
and there is no justified reason for committing such murder - even for the sake of convenience-And how would you classify the 6 'miscarriages' you 'endured'? Were they convenience or merely acts of god?
Did you know that your Lord and Master George W. Bush had been a cocaine user which he never admitted to the American public?- Telekinetic -
If you had really read the piece instead of reacting to it first, the article doesn't make assertions of superior intelligence at allWhat the article really said was:
they will starve their children and make them homeless just to get that feeling of euphoria and whatever else they feel-So does this at all explain the hours you spend reading the nonsense you write here pussytard? Is euphoria what motivates you? Does your family and your health suffer for this addiction of yours?
This article is about the ongoing discoveries made by real scientists who CAN separate facts from their belief systems.
The point they're making in the article is that humans have made erroneous assumptions of human superiority over animals and cite animals' cognitive superiority to counter those assumptions- not to make a case for animal superiorityAhaahaaaaa per the article
BHObama is only the delivery boy-Boy?? See like everybody says, you ARE s stinking racist.
However, science tells us that animals can have cognitive faculties that are superior to human beings.
And you still haven't COMPREHENDED my response, ritalin-boy-but forgets he said
not to make a case for animal superiority-which is what he said. What makes you think the author is talking about any other kind of superiority but cognitive superiority Tk?
But they don't have COGNITIVE faculties that are superior to human beings... Article provides no evidenceYoure right, it seems like more of a gathering of opinions. But you provide no evidence for your opinion either, and since they are pros, and since what they say makes sense, I think they are easier to agree with. Just my opinion .
It is because our cognition is in fact superior to any other animal that humans are the fastest "runners" (vehicles), fliers (jets), lifters (hydraulics), builders, and we can augment our senses beyond any animal on the planet with technology.Have you considered that they haven't developed these abilities because they haven't needed to? That their intelligence in, say, interpreting their environment to their reproductive benefit would be superior without the need to begin building weapons and forts?
Have you considered that they haven't developed these abilities because they haven't needed to?
That their intelligence in, say, interpreting their environment to their reproductive benefit would be superior without the need to begin building weapons and forts?
Jared diamond spent time living amongst aborigine hunter-gatherers. He found them to be in many ways more intelligent than civilized people, even though their tech consisted of blowguns and knapped stone.
What makes you think that complexity is anything more than an expression of desperation?
Otto, intelligence is curiosity, looking beyond yourselves and a desire to learn.Purposeful animals such as service dogs can become confused and ask for help. You may not understand their question, but that is YOUR limitation
Animals don't care about outer space. Animals don't care about curing diseases in others. Animals don't ask the question of why.
Idiot headline. Since when are humans not animals?Since they stopped preying for food, and preyed only on each other
Purposeful animals such as service dogs can become confused and ask for help. You may not understand their question, but that is YOUR limitation
Animals have been in space. I guess they cared VERY MUCH about it
Otto, intelligence is curiosity, looking beyond yourselves and a desire to learn.Ahaahaaa 1) How would you know and 2) You religionists didnt care about outer space and the real cause of diseases, and killed anyone who had the audacity to actually look. Burned them, gutted them, drowned them, tortured them to death. Like for instance giordano bruno.
Animals don't care about outer space. Animals don't care about curing diseases in others. Animals don't ask the question of why.
I wasn't considering anything with respect to how or why they did or didn't need these abilities because that's completely irrelevant to the point I was makingOf course it is. Why do you think animals should waste their time writing books and praying to voodoo gods if they dont have to? Wasting time is a sign of substandard intelligence.
It hasn't served them better than us in terms of reproductive success. So, empirically noWhat animals have died out because they werent able to reproduce? So empirically, yes. From their perspective humans could be regarded as a plague against which they have no natural defense. Humans themselves could be extincted by such a plague. To think that animals need to develop nukes and bioweapons or any other effective tech to defend themselves from humans is ludicrous.
I've seen his documentary, and read the book. He makes compelling points. None of which speaks to animal intelligenceWe ARE animals. Those of us who live closer to the natural state use much less technology. We are finding that this usage converges with the tech that apes employ. And they simply do not need to build huts do they?
How do you know what I think?Uh thats why I asked?
They can't adequately empress themselvesDogs are domesticated like we are and as such are hobbled in their ability to survive without artificial intervention. Dachshunds and charpees (whatever) would not last long in the wild. And neither would you.
Inventor's minds is what makes us superior to other species. When a dog invents something useful we'll talkDogs were themselves 'invented'. Dogs are capable of all sorts of novel and unique behaviors. Invention is not unique to humans.
Inventor's minds is what makes us superior to other species. When a dog invents something useful we'll talk.If anything most humans are violently opposed to invention. Humans are addicted to their neuroses and habits, and change becomes a threat. Look at the West where the solution to every financial problem is to create more debt. It is as if people think it is great to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, because the bullet has "hello kitty" painted on. And most humans simply copy the human next to them. Entire cultures are based upon waiting for others to invent, then copying. Communist China, for example
Of course it is. Why do you think animals should waste their time writing books and praying to voodoo gods if they dont have to? Wasting time is a sign of substandard intelligence.
What animals have died out because they werent able to reproduce? So empirically, yes.
We ARE animals.
Uh thats why I asked?
We outnumber all mammals our size on the planet by orders of magnitude, and we take over habitat with impunity, so empirically yes.But the plague bacteria outnumber us by orders of magnitude so by your empirical valuation they are smarter than we are.
Nature doesn't care about what your opinion of the species is Otto, just success or failure. Nature is totally amoralWhat makes you think humans are 'successful'? Weve only been here for a million years or so. The shark is far older. Does this mean it is 'smarter' than us?
It's called a complex questionNo its called offering a plausible alternative in the form of a question. What makes you think that perhaps humans didnt develop their complex tech in response to a uniquely desperate set of circumstances, and that any other animal would have responded the same way?
Wenn ein Löwe sprechen könnte, wir könnten ihn nicht verstehen.Dummsten Hunde bissen sich selbst. Thats the only one I know.
-When removed from the rigors of the pleistocene selection process, brains begin to shrink.
It sounds like PETA propaganda. Another example of phys.org couching left wing causes in scientific jargon.
But the plague bacteria outnumber us by orders of magnitude so by your empirical valuation they are smarter than we are.
What makes you think humans are 'successful'?
What makes you think that perhaps humans didnt develop their complex tech in response to a uniquely desperate set of circumstances, and that any other animal would have responded the same way?
If octopi had begun living in tribes and had reproduced at the same rate as us, Do you think they might have made weapons as well?
There are 7 billion of us and no other species on this planet can compete with us at any level...including sharks.I would like to see you compete with a bear. Rabies is 100% lethal and could be bioengineered to be ubiquitous in the environment. Humans existed in very small groups so that they were forced into incest to exist. For a long time human population on Earth was about 18.000 A cold winter could have made sapiens extinct
And what's continuing to happen, considering the Internet as an extension of the human nervous system?More efficient at thinking for us. Atrophy will continue. Brain functions assumed by electronics much better suited to their respective tasks.
And what's continuing to happen, considering the Internet as an extension of the human nervous system?More efficient at thinking for us. Atrophy will continue. Brain functions assumed by electronics much better suited to their respective tasks.
The Internet provides a maximally enriched environmentNot like the natural, pleistocene world where a mistake meant death. Here it means a bitchslap. Oh dear.
The Internet provides a maximally enriched environmentNot like the natural, pleistocene world where a mistake meant death. Here it means a bitchslap. Oh dear.
@Ghost Just like leningrad.The USA did a study in 1990s which revealed that in a nuclear war, Russia would suffer 2million deaths while USA would suffer 90million. We have deep tunnels with blast doors, and a population spread over the largest country on Earth. Our electronics are designed to withstand EMP attacks where foreseen. So much for your cut'Npaste parody
You're missing the point: we don't need the inherited animalistic traits to survive as much as we used to. No shortage of activity in your amygdala, is there? Fortunately the future is science, which doesn't get settled by bonks on the head or bitchslaps.You really think that web surfing stimulates the brain? They said the same thing about TV. Nothing focuses the attention like the growl of a sabertooth or the sound of distant war drums.
You're missing the point: we don't need the inherited animalistic traits to survive as much as we used to. No shortage of activity in your amygdala, is there? Fortunately the future is science, which doesn't get settled by bonks on the head
You really think that web surfing stimulates the brain?
Absolutely. In fact there are some good arguments out there that the Internet, especially social media, is addictiveAddictive doesn't mean stimulating. TV watching is addictive. Drugs are addictive. Porn is addictive. Pewdiepie toilet humor is addictive. Twitter is addictive.
Addictive doesn't mean stimulating. TV watching is addictive. Drugs are addictive. Porn is addictive. Pewdiepie toilet humor is addictive. Twitter is addictive.
These do nothing to increase your capacity to reason or to innovate or to remember. Quite the opposite - they prevent you from thinking. They cause atrophy.
Maybe the authors should use a phrase that carries less emotional baggage, like "mind function".
Progressives have believed this for over a century. We soulless animals just need the animal husbandry we provide to lesser animals: eugenicsAll religions convince adherents that their god alone is the source of goodness and truth. Further it tells them that people who don't believe in their god CANNOT be good. Crack open your KJV to john 3:18-21 and see what your god thinks of heathens, infidels, goyim.
I would like to see you compete with a bear.
Rabies is 100% lethal...
and could be bioengineered to be ubiquitous in the environment.
I would like to see you compete with a bear
MM, if you'd like to make a point about intelligent management of our environment regarding the value of biodiversity, by all means, but please do it without quoting me saying something I didn't.
altruistic notions like loving your neighbors and even your enemiesWell xians stole those notions from earlier religions. Akkadian, buddhist, taoist.
even words are energy-And sometimes they are sludge. Sometimes they are murder.
even words are energySometimes they are lies. Your book is full of them.
never mind his party was the National SocialistIt wasnt socialist any more than stalins soviet union was socialist. They were both brutal, nationalist, martial law dictatorships. These dictators WERE the state.
you're just a desperate, hate-filled, worthless weakling who would actually be shot by the very people you worshipNow now little mensch I never said I liked nazis. Post a quote here which says I did.
2.2 / 5 (13) Jul 26, 2013Ahaahaaaa so youre saying that a criminologist is a criminal just because he studies criminals? He tries to make sense of what they do. I made some sense out of the insanity of war for you. I described EXACTLY what happened and WHY.
How can I prove that you're a card-carrying Nazi, Ghost? National Socialism = Nazism,yes? So here I quote you from 2012:
"In concert with national socialism it depopulated the continent and ENDED the religious influence on euro politics which had CREATED the chronic conditions of overpopulation and war. It continued throughout Asia, annihilating BOTH nationalist and communist hordes by the millions and replacing the cultures which produced them with a brutal martial law.
Overpop ceased. PEACE REIGNS except where war has been necessary to clean up the fringes. What you see is Progress of the kind which ENDURES."
You're all PIG, no human mixed in at all
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe itThis is an old and well-understood Formula. Read macchiavelli for a more in-depth description. Stalin didnt argue with his enemies - he KILLED them. So did joshua.
Otto, linking Hitler, Stalin and Jesus....yup.... keep telling BIG LIES....What do you think this means ft?
technology no, you need fireIve often wondered how an aquatic species could develop metallurgy and fabricate things like screws, which is really what you need fire for. Undersea volcanism could provide heat, and clever octopi could build channels, dikes and chimneys to funnel and concentrate magma and superheated water. They could domesticate large fish for the heavy work, perhaps even trapping and domesticating surface species in tidal ponds. Turning screws might require 2 working in tandem.
you BELIEVE that genocideI BELIEVE in inevitability. Lots of ways to destroy toxic cultures but one thing is certain: if they don't die, WE die.
The Rus were given a bogus pseudoreligion which told them they had the right to steal everything from the rich. The Prussians and Bavarians were told they could do the same to the Jews. AND the most precious commodity of all, land, was promised to both of them by the same god who started this all to begin with.
So why do you hate Christianity so much?I hate all religions equally. I've presented more than enough in these threads for most any rational person to conclude that religions are all based on lies.
just in your nature, or it was because someone truly hurt youI suppose some people have been scared and abused to the extent that they will succumb to religion without thought, because like any drug it relieves their pain. Or they are simply addlebrained, which is more common than one might expect.
except maybe for the part about not killing each other. That didn't last long. What happened?Well somebody just turned to a different part of the bible and found ample justification for killing. God demands it.
I wasn't quoting you
-Etc. How can you POSSIBLY think that the bible forbids killing???
Otto, your big lie againBe specific.
Why don't you answer the question why do you hate, malign, denigrate, misstate Christianity?Because it is based on lies and causes untold misery and destruction.
Is it because you are a ProgressiveI am NOT a progressive, whatever that is.
is it because you have been hurt by a Christian?Sorry no xian has ever hurt me personally. What makes you think that something like abuse or injury would be the only reason anyone would reject your voodoo nonsense?
Answer the question. How can you POSSIBLY think that the bible forbids killing???-Etc. How can you POSSIBLY think that the bible forbids killing???
The bible's just a chip on your shoulder. I'd knock it off for you but you'd only pick it up and put it back. And please don't call me Etc :)
OK Otto, if no Christian has hurt you, then you must be just a Big Lie, Christian Hating Progressive.Sorry tard Ive been baited enough for one thread. Why dont you go thump your bible if youre bored?
Answer the question. How can you POSSIBLY think that the bible forbids killing???
The metaphysical magical supernatural types who are scared of gods always try to slap Otto with that crap. He's not "god fearing" and it drives them nutters. They want everything to be magical and republican, anyone who is not scared of gods gets hit that crap.
How are you going to get stupid people to make smart comments about a stupid article?
Sorry, but I feel that I must give a poor karma rating.
"We patronize the animals for their incompleteness, for their tragic fate of having taken form so far below ourselves."
And by the way...animals already knew this too...that humans weren't the most intelligent species on the planet.
The one universal definition which says that it is unintelligent to soil ones nest. Also the ones that most animals have seemed to master but most humans have chosen to ignore, and that is to plan for the future and live within your means.And by the way...animals already knew this too...that humans weren't the most intelligent species on the planet.
Yes, we are the most intelligent species on the planet. If you disagree, please tell me what definition of intelligence you are using.
I think that anyone who cherry-picks a verse or two (from any religion) and then goes way overboard with it in support of their own agenda is a fundamentalist/extremistWell you godders do it all the time dont you? For instance you love john3:16 which is meaningless w/o verses 18-21.
who lacks the cognitive ability to properly discern the literal from the figurativeFigurative... are you implying that the bible stories are not meant to be taken literally? WHERE in your book does it say THAT??
@lovegeese There is a woman here I know who feeds pigeons.....the pigeons know what time of day she comes and they come at the same time. This type of thing is not reasoning? It's a freezing day and the ponds froze...so the waterfowl have to look for open water, or they can decide to sleep it out at their normal roosting spot. Animals think and reason all the time.This is not reasoning, but simple conditioned stimulus response. A simple phase-locked loop circuit can exhibit the same behavior
But wolves are fully capable of expressing their needs to each other, in wholly natural ways. And their needs arent anything like 'please let me out or I will crap on your carpet'.
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