Booo...
Aluminum is too precious as a structural component and a food preservation to be using like this. Besides, stopping every 200 miles for water sort of defeats the point of wanting more range, because I'm sure the convenience stores will start charging money for water if this was actually on the market. They'd charge like $3.00 per gallon for water, and everyone would be right back where they are now.
daqddyo:
... and then you'll have to spend a significant fraction of the battery's charge (probably as much as several percent,) just driving back and forth to the manufacturer to make swaps.
If the manufacturer is 5 miles out of your way, that's a ten mile round trip, which has already wasted 1% of the one-time charge. If they are farther than that it just gets worse.
. Besides, stopping every 200 miles for water sort of defeats the point of wanting more range, because I'm sure the convenience stores will start charging money for water if this was actually on the market. They'd charge like $3.00 per gallon for water, and everyone would be right back where they are now.
The entire approach is novel in the respect that a metal is used almost as a fuel source, rather than as a battery component.
being metal, it's rather heavy—one pack of 50 plates weighs roughly 55 pounds.Or 25 kg, in modern measurements. This should not be a show-stopper, however--40 liters of gasoline, for instance, has a mass of 30 kg, and many cars' tanks hold even more than this.
Retrieving Magnesium-oxide is much simpler than Aluminum-oxide, you just evaporate it and it will release the oxygen returning back to Magnesium.Do you mean thermal dissociation of MgO? That's rather energy-intensive too, you know--remember how much heat energy is release when magnesium burns.
Booo...
Aluminum is too precious as a structural component and a food preservation to be using like this. Besides, stopping every 200 miles for water sort of defeats the point of wanting more range, because I'm sure the convenience stores will start charging money for water if this was actually on the market. They'd charge like $3.00 per gallon for water, and everyone would be right back where they are now.
I'm not sure how viable this technology is, but your criticisms are inane and without value. Enjoy your trolling.
As for the moron implying they could have batteries everywhere...there isn't THAT much space at places lke convenience stores, so I guess you expect the battery manufacturer to have a garage and a warehouse on every corner in the country?
I'd lay odds that back around the time the internal combustion engine was first being developed there was some bright spark who said - "Don't be naive. It's not like there's ever going to be a gas station on every corner." :-)
The process of recycling the aluminium requires electricity. This electricity is made from power plants, burning fossil fuels making CO2. UK alone has many 60's and 70's coal plants and natural gas plants which are very old infrastructure and aren't very efficient at all.
one pack of 50 plates weighs roughly 55 pounds. For that reason, Phinergy is promoting the aluminum-air battery as a trip extender
The report didn't address the major problem which the aluminium battery has always had, which is that Aluminium Hydroxide forms as a gel which coats the plates and reduces the output, eventually stopping it.
You'll pay for the battery and the energy and the water.
Can someone point out where I am wrong with my logic?
Also a 55 pound stack of aluminum takes up considerable space.
Nothing wrong with exploring and investing in alternative technologies for our future needs.Sure !
Choice is not a bad thing!
@mike, i was talking about alternative technologies in general. A lot of people here usually write them off even before they are fully explored.Fair enough.
"Yes... apart from the fact that no CO2 will be released"
The process of recycling the aluminium requires electricity. This electricity is made from power plants, burning fossil fuels making CO2. UK alone has many 60's and 70's coal plants and natural gas plants which are very old infrastructure and aren't very efficient at all.
Steven_Anderson:
It would be the same if it came from Wind/Solar/Wave although my preference is that it comes from generation IV nuclear reactors. They can't go boom and they have a million times the power density of coal (LFTR versions that is) We should make it happen as I have suggested here: http://rawcell.co...to-lftr/ where I came to a 1.6 Trillion capital cost figure for converting all the coal fire plants to LFTR reactors,
I think, it is a misslead if the source of "alternative" energy is taken from basic needs of human.
Aluminum batteries use water. Well guess what: when you recharge them you get the water back.Don't know if you have been reading the other comments but this is not a battery 'as such'.
Lurker2358
Mar 27, 2013Aluminum is too precious as a structural component and a food preservation to be using like this. Besides, stopping every 200 miles for water sort of defeats the point of wanting more range, because I'm sure the convenience stores will start charging money for water if this was actually on the market. They'd charge like $3.00 per gallon for water, and everyone would be right back where they are now.