Replacing electrons with muons?

Yes. We call "closing the barn door". It makes everything so much easier.

It sort of puzzles me how a proton-muon atom can be compared physically to a normal atom of hydrogen, and the spectral frequency of emitted photons compared. Obviously I expect the investigators have dealt with the question, but isn't the absorbtion or emission spectrum of an atom determined by the various full or half wavelength orbit pathlengths (sic) possible of the outer orbital electron(s) of an atom before it is entirely ionized off? And normal hydrogen has only 4 possible orbit changes for an electron, from 420 nm to about 600 nm. So my problem is, with the muon being 20x heavier than the electron, it's wavelength must be much longer than the electron, yet it apparently orbits much closer to the proton (eg. much shorter orbits). ?? I'd like to see the emission or absorbtion lines they are detecting, or at least a statement of the wavelengths.


λ = h / p ..... smaller wavelength for larger mass

Why physicists should be so impressed by this result (if we neglect the technical part of experiment, which is indeed brilliant) - when they know already, every particle is surrounded by less or more dense coat of virtual quarks (virtual quark-anti-quark pairs)? The similar effect is responsible for Casimir force at different energy density scale.

This difference would be the effect of compactified extradimensions near proton (the same situation could be observed near black holes, which should appear the smaller, the more we approach to them). I hope, these guys considered the fact, muon affects the location of center of mass of proton more, then the electron during its motion around proton - it would be a trivial mistake to forget the classical physics here. I.e. the physics, which served for spectroscopic discovery of deuterium in 1932.

Note that Riemann manifolds do shrink in gravity field - which allows to have larger object inside of smaller one - well, theoretically...

Very concise description of the researchers process. However, I saw no reference to the neutron half of the nucleus. It seems to me that a measurement of that might provide some potentially interesting correlations.
Len,
Great questions and corresponding data...
I'll bet Dougs response was a forehead smacker, tho...:-)

Wait, another question - did the muon's additional mass merely confirm the measurement of the protons "size" or did IT cause the proton charge (Field) to shrink?

Very concise description of the researchers process. However, I saw no reference to the neutron half of the nucleus. It seems to me that a measurement of that might provide some potentially interesting correlations.

There's no neutron in regular hydrogen.

did the muon's additional mass merely confirm the measurement of the protons "size" or did IT cause the proton charge (Field) to shrink?


The presence of the muon can't change the proton's field, but can make the effects of it more observationally 'sensitive' via energy levels, as I gather from the article,... it allowed confirmation of a discrepancy in "field size" measured with regular electron-proton hydrogen.

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There's no neutron in regular hydrogen.

Thanks Nou, I was not aware of that. I just assumed all atoms required one.

And omar... Ease up on the caffeine, eh?

Hydrogen with a neutron in it is called Deuterium (D or 2H), the nucleus is called a deuteron. One with two neutrons is tridium (which is unstable).

You can use them ALL your fake accounts to give me as many stars as you can! Thank you oh thank you oh...!! not...

In the meantime, in real life: "How Wineland & Haroche Stole My Discovery (and got 2012 PHYSICS NOBEL PRIZE for it...)":
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So you don't care what we think about your comments, but you care what we think about your website? I'm going to continue flagging your comments as spam until you're banned or learn to stick to commenting on the article.

In the meantime, in real life: "How Wineland & Haroche Stole My Discovery (and got 2012 PHYSICS NOBEL PRIZE for it...)"


How did Wineland and Haroche steal your discovery?

Did you publish before them?

Do you have collaborators that can confirm that? (I mean real people who have a track record.)

Maybe you could tell us about the grant that was funding your stolen work? (I mean an actual grant awarded by some body with a track record of funding such work.)

Why did you not complain to the Nobel Committee prior to the actual awarding of the Prize? Surely you must have been aware that Wineland and Haroche had been nominated and were contenders?

And most urgently,,,, why would a Crown Prince and renown scientist such as yourself, need to use a cobbled together free web page from the "Internet-Gurus-R-Us" provided by Google for the moron community. It reminds me of the Facebook "United-Vortex-Theory" page of AntonKole.

By the By: Are you related to a guy named Zephyr?

Oh look, a Wineland and Haroche type of "research"! They can't mint enough medals for them all ingeniahs westernahs...
God knows what hungered Chinese grad student they stole this discovery from... Scum like Edison, Marconi, Bell... Today from Asians and eastern Europeans, as yesterday from Tesla, Meucci and countless others...

You can use them ALL your fake accounts to give me as many stars as you can! Thank you oh thank you oh...!! not...

In the meantime, in real life: "How Wineland & Haroche Stole My Discovery (and got 2012 PHYSICS NOBEL PRIZE for it...)":
http://sites.goog...ci#Nobel


I want you to call Dr. Shmuel Mandelbaum and make an appointment to see him. He is a really excellent psychiatrist in Chicago.

: Are you related to a guy named Zephyr?
Negative. I don't think, the aether model will be stolen soon with some nobelist.

: Are you related to a guy named Zephyr?
Negative. I don't think, the aether model will be stolen soon with some nobelist.


Well, I do quite agree with ya. I don't the aether model will be stolen by anyone, Nobel winner or otherwise.

3 to close the circle.
In spite of two findings from Einstein and Planck, one to show the equation between atoms and energy and the other to discover the constant between waves' frequencies and energy, traditional science has never closed the circle.
Still today, this science does not recognize the transformation from waves to atoms.
The repercussions of Wavevolution are huge and overturn many common beliefs but, the bureaucracy of traditional science prevents the recognition of any event unless certain criteria are first met.
The problem exists precisely in the compilation of these "laws" or criteria introduced by a few scientists on behalf of all science and from the limits imposed that makes it impossible to recognize the concept of simultaneity.
One new Progressive Science includes the transformation from waves to atoms and has new understanding of the relation between Space and Time.

In spite of two findings from Einstein and Planck, one to show the equation between atoms and energy and the other to discover the constant between waves' frequencies and energy, traditional science has never closed the circle.


Wavevolution eh? At least you're not calling yourself a prince,, yet.

The repercussions of Wavevolution are huge and overturn many common beliefs but, the bureaucracy of traditional science prevents the recognition of any event unless certain criteria are first met.


Oh, I see, another unsung hero of science who is being conspired against by "the bureaucracy". I bet you also have a ToE that answers ALL the unanswered questions, only it is being repressed, censored, stolen or some such Mephistophelean evil.

Oh goody, another earth shattering truth. We can add it to the collection,,, Aether Waves, Plasma Cosmology, Unified Vortex Theory, Unified Absolute Relativity Theory, and my vary favorite, Leprechauns-Riding-Pink-Unicorns-Theory.

The repercussions of wavevolution are huge and overturn many common beliefs but, the bureaucracy of traditional science prevents the recognition
It has nothing to do with the above subject anyway. This problem is quantitative, it consists of nearly two dozens of QED corrections already and only quantitative theory could help with it.

Mass (gravity) isn't the dominant force at these scales. Electromagnetism is.

couldn't the much closer and heavier muon compared to an electron make the proton wobble more than normal and make it look like it's bigger to the instruments measuring it
It would make it more lightweight/smaller instead and it was discussed above already (ValeriaT Jan 24, 2013).