What mathematical 'construct' led to symmetry breaking in QFT?
Obviously this 'construct' has no physical interpretation.
This 'guides' QFT to predictions fitting observation
This is true for all scales, from macroscopic to quantum.
Mystery solved.
Reverse time travel, revealed as hokum.
..doesn't experience time in special relativity. But it does in general relativity where it can lose energy (red shift) and therefore ages with the universe.
"Great Attractor". Inflation assures us that the observable universe is a blown up matter dominated volume. It may be that other observable universes are antimatter dominated, but nothing on a smaller scale. (See "the horizon problem" in an encyclopedia.)
I still don't buy into the whole time aspect. IMO... Take "time" out of the equation and what do you have left? Surely there is another way, another angle, to see and describe this behavior...
Time is real, because it underlies physics and a basic aspect of mechanics is a test for reality. (Say, observation-observables in quantum mechanics.) Take out time, and you have no physics (no processes). - Torbjorn
The problem with discussions of time, is that it is a concept that isn't very well defined.
@ GSwift7: Arrows of time has nothing to do with the universal speed limit, which is what prohibits time travel
In the macroscopic world our view of time is that it progresses in one direction. This preferred direction of time nothing more than a real world observation that the evolution of entropy has a preferred direction.
Now you might argue that there can be no change without time...
It is simply a matter of arrangement. If there are n possible states to the front and 0 states behind then the system moves forward.
Time Reversal, imo, is not possible due to the physicality of the "holy Triumvirate". Physical objects cannot go back in time; alteration of those physical objects would occur in tandem with the reversal.
The problem is the future is probabilistic, so when we project from a determined past into a probabilistic future, the effect is multiworlds.Only the moment is determined. The past is also probabilistic. For some reason the mind conceives the past as something that exists in the present, and yet there is no basis for that supposition. There is no scientific basis for having existed, except by casual projection from the now. This casual chain quickly becomes multivalued just as does the future.
-GS7Time Reversal, imo, is not possible due to the physicality of the "holy Triumvirate". Physical objects cannot go back in time; alteration of those physical objects would occur in tandem with the reversal.
"Before you make a decision on what is possible..." "The equations could be manipulated so that you could produce negative refraction, but no example existed in nature and no known process could produce negative refraction by man made means either. "....we stumbled upon meta-materials which actually produce negative refraction. We have turned a science-fiction fantasy, based on a math trick, into reality."
"If we can now produce a real world example of negative refraction, how can anyone exclude the possibility of negative time, frequency, velocity, etc? Not sure what such terms would even mean, but...
No you are making casual inferences between information in the moment and states of the past. Those inferences are no more valid that inferences about the future. All inferential systems are incomplete and past information becomes embedded with nonlocal variables just as does future information. You have information about an election. It is a probabilistic inference that that is indeed an accurate sampling of a past event. There is no past only our projection of change onto larger and smaller scales of changes, the correlations of which we call 'time.'Only the moment is determined. The past is also probabilistic.It would be more accurate to say the past and present are relativistic/subjective, in that any perceivable reality only exists as a function of perspective/framing and both distance and change, ie. more time, affect perspective.
How then would you effect/describe "change" as something other than transition from one configuration to another?In QM there is only action and state. Copies can be made but these must be classical and untangled. The moment and the ineffable qualities of entanglement are lost. Change is inferred by pairs of two actions and their decohered, recorded copies. One may make inferences about differences in these states and known scaling factors [causality cascade length] to describe 'time.' But the time is completely virtual and recordings of earlier states are just that. They lack any physical value and only give us a story which we use to understand the moment. The past and future do not exist they are just potentials and multivalued. There are infinite pasts and futures and they are bound at the moment.
But my thoughts and concepts, AND MEMORIES, continue to be processed and projected into the future, even while my typing remains in the present.The future and past do not exist. They are mental constructs, like dimension, used to order change on one scale with change on the same or another scale of causality cascades. This ordering by our pattern-recognition brains is constructed as 'time.' That evolved because we are low dimension beings embedded in higher space which we cannot perceive directly but only as changes in our 3d wetware.
The future and past do not exist. They are mental constructs, like dimensionSpace doesn't exist too, after then. But such solipsism will not help us very much in construction of more general theories and their predictions - it's solely of interpretative nature, so it doesn't lead into testable predictions and therefore it remains redundant. I don't need to know, that the time or space or energy or force doesn't actually exist for anything in similar way, like the concept of God. In AWT a good reason for to consider the time as a physical entity exists, though. For example you can attribute the time multiple dimensions and you can generate new testable predictions in this way. In AWT the entropic time dimension is actually two-dimensional at the human observer scale. The observable objects bellow 2 cm distance scale expand and evaporate into infinity (entropic phenomena) - above it they do collapse with their gravity (negentropic phenomena).
In QM there is only action and state.
There are infinite pasts and futures and they are bound at the moment.
The past may be fixed as solid as concrete, just our mechanisms of recording it are weak and flawed. Is this true?Of course, I don't see any reason, why the physics in the past or future should behave differently. The same effect occurs at the space distance scale. You can compare it to the perspective of observation of foggy landscape: from distance it appears fuzzy and blurred, but when you come closer, everything appears sharp and normal.
The past may be fixed as solid as concrete...P9
What event (or state) in nature can lead one to a conclusion that anything past is 'everlasting'?
What mechanism is able to 'record' all states of an event?
Secondly, is time exempt from laws of conservation?
This was attempt to address your questions.
With a possibility that I misunderstood your words.
Some seem to suggest that the past is not fixed but variable in some way...The past may be fixed as solid as concrete,
Secondly the discussion that time is the basis of change.
They trot out their "time reversal" nonsense while designing an experimental analysis..of what?If they told you you still wouldnt understand it. But you would still act like you do, and flood these threads proclaiming it. Why? because you can type?
I will never understand why Time is periodically trotted outOf course you dont. So why act as if you do?
Science might even know God; that is as possible as reversing Time,imo...Are you DONE yet you lying imbecile?
If you remove that Concept, we are unable to explain physics in accord with how our mind evolved to order experience.The word 'mind' has no meaning. You should try expressing yourself using words which actually convey meaning.
If you remove that Concept, we are unable to explain physics in accord with how our mind evolved to order experience.The word 'mind' has no meaning.
You should try expressing yourself using words which actually convey meaning.
And the laws of physics operate whether anyone is there to observe or not. The universe is oblivious to observation.
Nice words. Any experiments coming up on this?This theory predicts, that the oblateness of planets remains connected with the direction of their rotation. Such a prediction can be easily tested form many massive objects in solar system or even outside of it. H. Hayasaka and S. Takeuchi found in 1989, that the rotating gyroscope loses few miligrams of weight depending on its direction of rotation. This would be an experimental example of time symmetry violation too.
I believe that the results are being misinterpreted - that the researchers are measuring and applying their understandingbased on a belief that time is an absolute and real and not the illusion and simple measuring tool that (I believe) it really is
subjectifiable thing-process..."undoably done."Why I think work should begin immediately on the development of a Subjectifiable Thing-Process Engine with which we should routinely be able to do the undoable. This will undoubtedly cost a substantial portion of the GDP but I for one think it will be money well spent.
The first fault of the scientific approach in so many doctines, is ignoring the reality and dynamic potential of consciousnessNo the first fault is obviously not enough drivel. More drivel would undoubtedly lead to more discovery.
Theghostofotto1923 aka BlottoThe first fault of the scientific approach in so many doctines, is ignoring the reality and dynamic potential of consciousnessNo the first fault is obviously not enough drivel. More drivel would undoubtedly lead to more discovery.
..time is a true dimension that can be observed and manipulated, not an illusion..Just the illusions can be manipulated most easily...;-) But I don't recommend to bother with existence of time, until you cannot provide some testable predictions from it. What will change in experimental physics, if you claim the time real illusion or manipulative reality? IMO nothing - such a labellings are just a fuzzy words for philosophers, nothing more. Could we imply some time asymmetry from it? I seriously doubt it.
-javjavI believe that the results are being misinterpreted - that the researchers are measuring and applying their understandingbased on a belief that time is an absolute and real and not the illusion and simple measuring tool that (I believe) it really is
Sorry but you are wrong. Einstein demonstrated that time will pass at a different rate depending on your speed and gravity fields around you. So it is indeed something real, time is a true dimension that can be observed and manipulated, not an illusion
Ok, idjit time deniers... How do you define change without reference to time? How do you define a "rate of change" without reference to time?
The predictions made by treating time as a quantifiable entity with real physical properties are too accurate to be disregarded.
There is also no doubt that non-local, superluminal connectivity between any subjectifiable thing-process and any other, is capable of information transfer - phase-entanglement is just a "first view" of this. In the ultimate sense we may even model the entire physical continuum of "reality" as a single, massless, "wavicle" which, then capable of infinite velocity, is capable of being everywhere (and "everywhen") at once - interweaving with itself like the nodal interweave of warp and weft in the cloth of physicalisation, to realise all that exists at once. This has been called the "Prime Radiant."-Tachyon8491
Einstein demonstrated that time will pass at a different rate depending on your speed and gravity fields around you. So it is indeed something real, time is a true dimension that can be observed and manipulated, not an illusion. - javjav
Time keeps everything from happening all at once.
It's as real as that at least....
Photons do not experience gravitational pull in general. Therefore, photons are not subjected (ordinarily) to diminished speed.
Photons do not experience gravitational pull in general. Therefore, photons are not subjected (ordinarily) to diminished speed.So, uh, how do you explain gravitational lensing?
Einstein made use of an Operational Definition of time. One dependent upon instrumentation, ...a physical system, .. i.e. a light clock. This means he made no statements about the ontological status of time. Such statements are metaphysical, and have no place in physics.
-loneislanderPhotons do not experience gravitational pull in general. Therefore, photons are not subjected (ordinarily) to diminished speed.
By definition a photon must have energy. Since energy is mass and mass is gravitationally attractive and attracted, all photons feel gravitational pull.
Now, if you mean "not much" then I retract -- it's just not clear from the rest of what you wrote.
This kind of experiments tell us that a future event may affect a past event. The fact that we do not now how it works does not mean that the nature of time is a metaphysical question. It's similar to the entanglement "spooky" action at a distance, we simply don't know how it works, but we can test it. We can make experiments and predictions, and finding the true nature of time is of enormous importance as it is related with biggest mystery in physics, which is the origin of the universe
I stand corrected for my lack of specificity. A photon is affected by gravitational forces only if those forces are strong enough to have any effect on the photon. But most often, it doesn't.Uh huh. And uh what makes you think that there is some threshold above which gravity affects a photon, and below which it does not? And Uh what specifically do you mean by 'most often'? Most often in a given day? Most often in the trajectory of a given photon? Most often when photons are sufficiently far from a mass that it has no effect on them? What? Are you talking about some percentage of photons in a given region of space during a given period of time?
Time is not a TRUE dimension. Time slows down or speeds up ONLY according to how humans PERCEIVE the speeding or slowingSo how does this jibe with the fact that certain particles decay slower at relativistic speeds? Is not time completely objective in at least this respect? This does as you know involve engineering as particle detectors need to be engineered with this in consideration.
Our minds, given how it operates, always uses the concept [time] to order experience, so we think it is real, rather than a aspect of thought. - NoumenonHow the mind operates is not a given. At least not yet. The study of the mind needs to mature before committing to "the concept".
It is the conscious mind that CREATES Time as a tool. Everything else is just a series of events.
"speed" [..] can not be understood as a human invented concept, and then its components space and time, have to be at least as real as speed is. Time is a physical dimension, not a concept. The "time" dimension is as real as space dimensions. And [.] "time" is at least as real as "events", as "event" can't be defined without time - javjav
Time is only conceptualized by the mind as a necessary tool for measuring in increments of equal proportions.-Except when they are unequal, as in logarithmic progressions or acceleration.
The increments are also conceptualized by the mind, as it doesn't naturally occur in nature-Except in things like dripping water, beating hearts, revolving planets, or particle oscillations used in atomic clocks, as ANY engineer would be aware of. Try to say something you think is profound AGAIN you carking dimwit.
Instead, one must correct these concepts together by invoking a physical invariant, the proportionality constant relating mass and energy, c².
Also "Energy" itself requires a time dimension. The momentum of a particle (energy) requires a physical time dimension. A particle can not acquire kinetic energy from a concept.
There is no advantage to such ontological statements that time is a physical thing.
.the fact is that its is not clear what is "time", I fully recognize this point..And what the mass or temperature is? IMO the situation with intuitive understanding of these concepts is the very same here, like with time - but nobody is surprised with it.
Time is like temperature. It is a statistical property of a bulk collection, and grows ever more meaningless as the bulk is reduced.
it's a measure of the actions of that collectionDoes the time runs faster/slower for hot gas than for cold one?
There is no advantage to such ontological statements that time is a physical thing.
The fact is that its is not clear what is "time", I fully recognize this point. But pretending that the question of "what is time" is a metaphysical question and not a key question of physics is the opposite to science thinking. There are so many evidences (which I am not going to repeat) that time has a real physical meaning, that ignoring them makes you a philosopher, not a scientist.
Try to answer the following question: you can see the randomly, chaotically emerging and disappearing points on the TV screen after the night show (or the density fluctuations inside of gas or similar system). Does the time run inside of such system at all? If so, in which direction (forward/backward)? If we cannot recognize any trend or direction of motion, does the time runs there at all?
Almost all approaches here in the pursuit of understanding and/or defining "time" orbit around dialectical positivism or empirical pragmatism. Is that really the ONLY approach?As scientists do not recognize philoisms as descriptive of the ways they do their work or useful to them in doing their work, they are not really approaches at all are they?
Ultimately all scientific orientation and consequent methodology towards modelling is subject to intuitive guidance...Uh no. It was only when scientists learned how to ignore their 'intuition' and follow where the evidence led, that they began to make progress.
This also implies that metaphysics is inductive to the scientific approach.The invocation of the philoword 'metaphysics' only implies an impending flood of useless bullshit. Let me grab my galoshes.
As long as time remains unobservable as a physical process, and only its secondary implications are observable (e.g. rates of change) then time by this definition must eternally remain metaphysical...First off, scientists do not consider anything 'eternal'. Only philos and religionists would use this concept to wheedle their way into discussions where they don't belong. Your jumping to conclusions such as 'time is metaphysical' and that 'denying metaphysics is counterproductive' is decidedly unscientific.
Does the time runs faster/slower for hot gas than for cold one?
First off, scientists do not consider anything 'eternal'. Only philos and religionists would use this concept to wheedle their way into discussions where they don't belongOther than eternal Universe would violate the causality. Just the concept of creation is, what defines the religious approach in science. The materialists always believed in eternal matter.
Noumenon thinks that something or someplace which has absolutely no contact with, or influence on, the physical world whatsoever can somehow be real. This is nonsense. - GhostofOtto1923
Other than eternal Universe would violate the causality. Just the concept of creation is, what defines the religious approach in science. The materialists always believed in eternal matter.They do not (yet) consider the universe eternal as there is evidence that it has a beginning and an end. The universe as we know it will no doubt end.
Would you care to explain this? I can't even make sense of your misapprehension here.Lets see if I can paraphrase... 'No information can be gleaned from the metaphysical.' No info = no effect = no influence = no reason to fiddle with the idea that it is there because - why?
How does your comment relate to my posts here. That was the question. Specifically, where have stated that there is some entity, which I regard as Real, that does not have an influence on the physical world? I don't believe in mysticism of any sort, which seems what you are implying here.now now dont be coy. You said
Postulating things as real that are not themselves observable is what I consider metaphysics.-and I know, without scrounging through prior posts, that you DO believe that the metaphysical cannot produce any info. Right?
anyone who displays so much venom and toxic intentionality must be poisoning themselves and I do worry about this identity's spiritual healthSorry the spiritual does not exist either.
it has actual non-epiphenomenal consciousness, real that isCome on nou dont you think this guy wears silk pajamas to prayer meetings?
-and I know, without scrounging through prior posts, that you DO believe that the metaphysical cannot produce any info. Right? GhostOttoPostulating things as real that are not themselves observable is what I consider metaphysics. - NoumenonHow does your comment relate to my posts here. That was the question. Specifically, where have stated that there is some entity, which I regard as Real, that does not have an influence on the physical world? I don't believe in mysticism of any sort, which seems what you are implying here. - Noumenonnow now dont be coy. You said - GhostOtto
Noumenon thinks that something or someplace which has absolutely no contact with, or influence on, the physical world whatsoever can somehow be real.
Since you dont specifically contradict what I say and make no attempt to clarify what it is you DO believe, I see no need to respond to your query.Postulating things as real that are not themselves observable blahHow does your comment relate to my posts here. That was the question. Specifically, where have stated that there is some entity, which I regard as Real, that does not have an influence on the physical world? I don't believe in mysticism of any sort, which seems what you are implying here. - Noumenonnow now dont be coy. You said - GhostOtto
How does what you quoted above cause you to conclude (?),...Noumenon thinks that something or someplace which has absolutely no contact with, or influence on, the physical world whatsoever can somehow be real.
In fact what you quoted should have told you the opposite.
Since you dont specifically contradict what I say and make no attempt to clarify what it is you DO believe, I see no need to respond to your query. - GhostOtto
Noumenon thinks that something [..] which has absolutely no [..] influence on, the physical world whatsoever can somehow be real. - GhostOtto
...[Einstein] made no statements about the ontological status of time. Such statements are metaphysical, and have no place in physics. - Noumenon
There is no advantage to such ontological [metaphysical] statements that time is a physical thing.- Noumenon
Postulating things as real that are not themselves observable is what I consider metaphysics.- Noumenon
They do not (yet) consider the universe eternal as there is evidence that it has a beginning and an end. The universe as we know it will no doubt end
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Nov 19, 2012If I understand your question correctly, you are asking if they have considered causes other than symetry violation?
Symetry violation isn't a 'cause'. It's an observed property of the Universe. We don't know what the 'cause' is, but the Universe is definitely made up of matter rather than anti-matter. The theroy seemed to say that if the Universe is made up of matter, then there should also be a preference towards one direction of time. They still don't have the root 'cause' of why time and matter are not balanced. It does confirm that this part of quantum theory was correct in predicting symetry violation in time as well as matter.
It's kinda like being able to predict how much time slows down near mass, and then proving it with satellites, but we still don't know 'why' that happens. We can measure it though.