Agreed. Your machine's high end performance should not equal the industry's average - not if you call yourself High-End. And gaming? Please, 30 fps is not the standard, its about the minimum for today's games.

What do you mean "today's games", do you understand what framerate is? Framerate is framerate, doesn't matter if you're talking about "todays games" or games from a decade ago.

30 is acceptable, especially in a laptop. Prior to my current video card (which can handle anything on the market at full settings) I would raise graphics settings in a game until I got a good balance of visuals and framerate and 30 was my target usually, it's fine.

You realize this is a LAPTOP and TABLET chip with the GPU integrated on the processor die, correct? You cannot compare this to a desktop with a separate video card...

Furthermore, their claim of 30fps is spurious at best since it completely depends on the game you are talking about... these are marketing figures and shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm sure, as with any hardware configuration, some games will run perfectly and some will struggle... I don't see you playing skyrim at 1920x1080 full settings on a laptop with this chip.

What do you mean "today's games", do you understand what framerate is? Framerate is framerate, doesn't matter if you're talking about "todays games" or games from a decade ago.

It matters a great deal. They don't make fast-paced shooters(see quake series) anymore, so a radically lower framerate is acceptable(though 30 is still at the very low end)

Fair increases over Llano, enough to compete with i5, though not i7. I was hoping for more increases over Stars with Piledriver, but still seems like a big improvement CPU wise over Bulldozer(I'm using some very rough comparisons). I'll see what the full fledged desktop parts have to offer.

What do you mean "today's games", do you understand what framerate is? Framerate is framerate, doesn't matter if you're talking about "todays games" or games from a decade ago.

It matters a great deal. They don't make fast-paced shooters(see quake series) anymore, so a radically lower framerate is acceptable(though 30 is still at the very low end)

They don't make fast-paced shooters anymore? Are you for real?

They don't make fast-paced shooters anymore? Are you for real?

The reason why old games like Quake 1 needed high framerates was because they were designed to run in a single processor in a single thread with GPUs that were simple state machines that had to be controlled directly from the game code, so the framerate slowed down the rest of the game which included things like the networking code or lag compensation, or how well it responded to mouse input. Things got really choppy if the game could only draw at 30 frames per second. Because of this, players used to do things like strip most textures out of the game to push the FPS up to 200-300 frames per second - much faster than what the display was actually capable of.

In an online game, the player with the highest framerate had an advantage because his game would process faster - not because he could "react faster" due to the higher framerate.

Right, I understand that, I design custom real time operating systems for embedded processors, I know all about time slicing between IO bound and process bound tasks and the pain in the ass that occurs when your UI code has to share processor time with time-critical data acquisition code... in fact I recently petitioned my boss to design into our next generation product a separate processor to handle user input using dual port RAM to facilitate data transfer between the UI processor and the acquisition engine.

but the statement "they don't make fast paced shooters anymore" is false and stupid.

but the statement "they don't make fast paced shooters anymore" is false and stupid.

It's obvious you've never seen or have forgotten what high level play in UT and quake 3 looks like.

They don't make games that fast any more; and the few games that are fast-ish are not popular compared to the usual fare of slow-as-treacle world war II games, COD, battlefield and clones.